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I see your point yet Jesus also gave us a commandment. to put the will of the Father ahead of our own (as you stated) but then clarified it and said love all as self.When we fail to follow God's military strategy, we forfeit His power and thereby minimize the harvest.
It wasn't a school teaching a sales pitch. Sowing seeds by setting the example of the Kingdom by loving all as self (complete with example of a samaritan) and away we go. We are a way of life... living advertisements of the Kingdom, not sales agents for a religion, IMOThat parable doesn't provide clear instructions on evangelism.
Hope I haven't derailed this thread too badly, maybe I should leave it at that.It wasn't a school teaching a sales pitch. Sowing seeds by setting the example of the Kingdom by loving all as self (complete with example of a samaritan) and away we go. We are a way of life... living advertisements of the Kingdom, not sales agents for a religion, IMO
I think we need to qualify our terms to understand one another. I'm saying that there is a blindness in mankind that believes we are free to decide to do evil/sin because we are also free to decide not to. Note the difference between these two statements:I first saw the reply-quote below, then this one ....
Think about what Scripture says about mankind - it is and has been almost entirely wicked for thousands of years. Children are 'abused' by their parents, guardians, teachers, and so on, being taught that evil is okay, greed is necessary, and sin is nothing to worry about ..... (most of the world it seems , and more importantly, the Bible says most people on earth do not even think of turning to God nor of repenting of serving demons ) ... they were not taught to loathe evil, were they ? Or if they were, they departed from that teaching...
(1) Jesus did not attend seminary. Prophethood was enough for Him.I hold to both.
Not sure what that means. If you believe that exegesis is the ONLY final authority, I think that places you squarely in the Sola Scriptura party.I hold to both.
Then you'd better reject the writings of both Calvin and Gordon Fee (see for example 2 Cor 3:18) who rightly defined the new birth as a God-given vision of the Lord (otherwise you'd worship a conceptual idol). Calvin called it a "secret beholding of Christ".
Paul was converted by seeing the Lord on the Road to Damascus. The only difference between his vision and ours is that, as he was privy to a period of great revival, he was privileged to experience a more vivid, distinct vision than we do.
The NT defines evangelism as prophetic utterance, and defines the evangelist in terms of his visions of Christ (see post 179 on another thread, and post 180).
That parable doesn't provide clear instructions on evangelism. That is why we need Direct Revelation in hopes of clear, infallible instructions.
Yeah, sorry, I'm not seeing high-quality responses from you. Your posts seem to:I am not so concerned in hearing the private interpretations of others like Calvin and or Gordon Fee.(The witness of men). As a apologist its not their faith that protects us that we defend. Its the word of God as it is written. It comes from hearing God's interpretation the Bible . Not our private interpretations as personsonal commentaries
We put it on as it is written . . . our armor. it shields us from the spirit of error the father of lies. Satan remains giving his lying signs as false wonders to those who would add to the perfect. God sends them a strong delusion so they can go on wondering and not coming to His faith as it is written (sola scriptura)
The witness of God is greater than that of men .He knows all things even the hidden things he reveals in parables. Hiding the gospel understanding form those who do look to the witness of men
The faith of Christ that worked in Paul converted him it as the witness of our unseen God again it was after no man.. just as the conversion of all who have been born again from above.
We can plant the incorruptible seed (Christ) by which men are born again from above and water it with the doctrines of God .But unless he applies it to our new born again heart we have not heard his voice . He will not share the glory of salvation(the gospel)with the creature.
1 Corinthians 3:6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
God is no longer brining any new revelations in any manner. We have the perfect law as it is written .It works in us to both will and empower us to perform his good pleasure. In that way as he gives us ears to hear his understanding in every thing we do if we do do not harden our hearts and deny Him . As in he who has new ears; "let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches" .Every denomination that names His name
There are no laws missing in the Bible by which we could know our God more adequately .We have the perfect law that does work in our new born again hearts as it is written
The warning is not to add or subtract from the whole in the last chapter of the book of law the Bible .
Sola scriptura remains the reforming, restoring authority in matters of faith (the unseen eternal things of God) in any generation where two or three (a family called a denomination/sect ) ,or two or three million(a larger denomination) gather together under the hearing of his faith, or His name .
Matthew 18:20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
Yeah, sorry, I'm not seeing high-quality responses from you. Your posts seem to:
(1) repeat assertions already addressed and challenged
(2) gloss over a number of salient points that I made
(3) erect and knock down strawmen
(4) depend on shallow arguments
(5) suffer from a lack of clarity in some places
Admittedly I myself practice exegesis - but merely as a crutch - until I become a prophet.[/QUOTE)
Yes the crutch we need to hear the understand of God not seen and therefore walk by faith.
A prophet prophecies' the existing revealed will of God declaring it (sola scriptura) as the gospel .
If you declare his will then you are a prophet. They are sent from above as ambassadors for Christ. . planting the seed and watering it. Our unseen God causes the growth if any.
We who plant are considered nothing. He is our everything.
Sorry you're very confused. The prophet Abraham was light-years ahead of us spiritually and yet had no Bible. He spoke with God face to face all the time. Take a look at Gen 18 where God comes over to his house for supper, Abraham fires him up a loaf of bread and a beef steak, and they chat together during the meal. When is the last time God came over to your house for supper?Shallow arguments like sola scriptura the one reforming authority of God in any generation ?
As mentioned earlier, if you want to understand my epistemology, you'll need to read this thread:If not what is your teaching authority in matters of faith the unseen eternal?
. . . Dreams or out of body experiences as if experience was the validator of the unseen things of God and not his written word? (sola scriptura. . as it is written )
What was the outcome in Mathew 4 when Jesus the Son of man experienced a vision of all the kingdoms of the god of this world (Satan) and all its glory. Was it a lying wonder?
What were the words the father gave to the Son on man in order to rebuke the lying spirit of error all three times?
Sorry you're very confused. The prophet Abraham was light-years ahead of us spiritually and yet had no Bible. He spoke with God face to face all the time. Take a look at Gen 18 where God comes over to his house for supper, Abraham fires him up a loaf of bread and a beef steak, and they chat together during the meal. When is the last time God came over to your house for supper?
Did I mention that Abraham is the exemplary model for all believers? When the Galatians fell back into Sola Scriptura, Paul called them fools, reminded them of the primacy of visions and Direct Revelation ("the hearing of faith") and adduced Abraham's experienced vision/voice at Gen 15 as the prime example for us all to emulate. And this was AFTER reminding the Galatians that he himself (Paul) was converted by Direct Revelation (on the Road to Damascus) - it was vision/voice.
The NT selected the prophet Abraham as the principal paradigm of faith PRECISELY BECAUSE he didn't have a Bible. In other words it was TRYING TO WARN US against Sola Scriptura.
As mentioned earlier, if you want to understand my epistemology, you'll need to read this thread:
How Direct Revelation Trumps Sola Scriptura | Christian Forums
That thread has too many arguments to repeat here. But even the opening post alone parries every objection that you just raised. Also I raised other arguments here on the current thread also effective in parrying your objections, which you ignored.
Unsubstantiated nonsense ignored.Everyone ignores your arguments because they are hard to interpret and often make no sense.
Yes, shallow, for reasons stated even on the current thread, in posts such as:Shallow arguments like sola scriptura the one reforming authority of God in any generation ?
Yes, shallow, for reasons stated even on the current thread, in posts such as:
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Look, Sola Scriptura is the claim that
(1) Scripture is the only final authority.
(2) Therefore all religious imperatives must come from Scripture alone.
Total nonsense, right? (Shallow is too kind a word). After all, where then did we get the imperative to accept the Bible? Obviously there MUST be an imperative that ranks higher in our lives than exegesis - it is THAT higher imperative that (daily) DICTATES our decision to accept or reject the book.
So specifically what is this higher imperative? In my last response to you, I linked you to a thread that proposes - and defends - the only one that seems logically feasible.
And this imperative is precisely what Direct Revelation (such as the Inward Witness) trades on. That is the argument. That is WHY Moses obeyed a voice commanding him to slaughter 7 nations - the authority of this imperative is undeniable and unimpeachable.
Bible no. Those blind who use it to build their mini empires and teach others to remain blind, yes.Is there something missing in the Bible by which we could know our invisible God more adequately?
This is my typical exchange with you. I just showed you that Sola Scriptura is a contradiction in terms and you ignored the contradiction.The Spirit of truth called God the imperial one worked in Moses to both will (reveal) and empower him to do the good pleasure of the same Spirit of truth called Logos. The glory of our unseen God who dwells in born again men .The law of faith. Not the theory of faith. We simply do not know God after the shallow philosophies of men as if God was a man made up of the rudiments of this world and there was a infallible fleshly umpire set between God not seen and mankind seen .
God’s Authority as it is written is Eternal. He is not adding to it. No need for that to those who walk by the unseen eternal.
Is there something missing in the Bible by which we could know our invisible God more adequately?
Well since you asked, yes. God is what is missing from the Bible. Direct Revelation brings the invisible God into visibility (2Cor 3:18). That verse confirms that Paul's experience on the Road to Damascus is our experience today, even if our vision of Him is less vivid.Is there something missing in the Bible by which we could know our invisible God more adequately?
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