God makes mistake!

[tanzanos]

*sigh*

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"I will ask again - when you want to leave your creations the option of choice, what alternatives do you have? Also, creating something that makes the choice you want is effectively forcing the choice to be made.

Plus, you're forgetting the fact that God derives great joy from his creations that do decide to try and obey him. I don't pretend to know how he thinks, but perhaps for him the good times make up for the bad times?"

Human choice is the factor at fault here, not God. Now please, stop dodging the question in the first paragraph.

Re: Satan, read the bolded section in the second paragraph.

What choice? I shall tell you; He should not have made the decisions he did that made him regret it. He should not have made Saul King and he should certainly not have created Satan thus unleashing untold misery to mankind. If God exists then he most certainly fits the category of just plain evil, arrogant, and unwise.

I rest my case

 

[Cabal]

What choice? I shall tell you; He should not have made the decisions he did that made him regret it. He should not have made Saul King and he should certainly not have created Satan thus unleashing untold misery to mankind. If God exists then he most certainly fits the category of just plain evil, arrogant, and unwise.

You're still looking at this from the mortal human perspective of choice. Can you honestly say that all other angels or any other person chosen to be king of the Israelites wouldn't have fouled up?

Please answer the points I made previously on:

- the fact that the Israelites had made a covenant with God and begging for a king went counter to it
- choosing a lesser being to "make the choice" that leads to the outcome you want essentially means that freedom of choice for the lesser beings has been removed

The reason why I'm asking these questions is because I don't believe this situation is as simple as you make out (and even then, we're only looking at a literal reading of this text). Choice is everything, on the part of both humans and God.

 

[brinny]

How is it possible that an omnipotent all wise God can make a silly mistake when he has the capability to know the outcome of his decisions beforehand?
If he made this mistake then what is to say that his other decisions were not mistakes. Any God making a mistake when he knew it was a mistake beforehand; is definitely not a wise and all powerful God.

Proof of his mistake?

SAMUEL 15: God said: "I REGRET that I have made Saul king".

This is a profound statement coming from God.

The thing here is that he KNEW he was going to regret it before he did it; but went along with it anyway. Now that constitutes as very egotistical and irresponsible behavior.
Now I know why God killed and destroyed so much while at the same time he pretends to be benevolent and wise.
Personally I believe that tantrums will get him nowhere!
But hey! God is an imaginary entity and thus there is no worry that he will smite me with his sword wielding hordes!
Hey AV this one's for you!

Are you speaking of a God you believe in? Or are you speaking of a mist, or dream, or a segment of over-active imaginations?

 

[juvenissun]

Proof of his mistake?

SAMUEL 15: God said: "I REGRET that I have made Saul king".

This is a profound statement coming from God.

Maybe, it is a very good example which shows we DO HAVE free will.
If so, it is not God's mistake. It is God's success.

It seems there are a few more "regrets" of God in the Bible. Can't remember where are they. Why don't you find them out?

 

[Washington]

Maybe, it is a very good example which shows we DO HAVE free will.

In what way does it show we have free will?

If so, it is not God's mistake. It is God's success.

In what sense of the word?

 

[juvenissun]

In what way does it show we have free will?



In what sense of the word?

If you rephrased the complete question, then I will answer it.

 

[Washington]

If you rephrased the complete question, then I will answer it.

Sure.

Considering that "God said: 'I REGRET that I have made Saul king.' " is "a very good example of free will" and "if so" it is is not a mistake, then in what sense can it be considered "God's success"? How can "success" apply to "a very good example of free will" ? In what sense does the passage illustrate god succeeding at something in particular? And if it does, exactly what is this success?

In short: What success?

ALSO! In what way does 'I REGRET that I have made Saul king.' " show we have free will?

 

[LittleNipper]

Sure.

Considering that "God said: 'I REGRET that I have made Saul king.' " is "a very good example of free will" and "if so" it is is not a mistake, then in what sense can it be considered "God's success"? How can "success" apply to "a very good example of free will" ? In what sense does the passage illustrate god succeeding at something in particular? And if it does, exactly what is this success?

In short: What success?

ALSO! In what way does 'I REGRET that I have made Saul king.' " show we have free will?

Because Saul clearly rejected GOD. If Saul had remained an average guy, he would likely not have rejected GOD. Saul's life was ruined because he choose to do everything his own way and not listen to what GOD said to do once he got powerful.

 

[Washington]

Because Saul clearly rejected GOD. If Saul had remained an average guy, he would likely not have rejected GOD. Saul's life was ruined because he choose to do everything his own way and not listen to what GOD said to do once he got powerful.

Ah, which question are you addressing?

"In short: What success?"
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Or

"In what way does 'I REGRET that I have made Saul king.' " show we have free will?"
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Your answer doesn't seem to address either one.