God is not willing that any should perish?

[Dave Darling]

Hi everyone, I was just thinking about this- something may be about to come. There is a scripture- "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." -2 Peter 3:9

If God is not willing that any should perish then why does it happen? There is an answer! Do you have any ideas?

Thanks!

 

[ozso]

Hi everyone, I was just thinking about this- something may be about to come. There is a scripture- "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." -2 Peter 3:9

If God is not willing that any should perish then why does it happen? There is an answer! Do you have any ideas?

Thanks!

God is unwilling that any should perish, but he's not going to force us to choose Him which equals life. Instead he gives us the choice of choosing life in Him, or choosing to remain separated from Him which leads to death.

 

[Clare73]

Hi everyone, I was just thinking about this- something may be about to come. There is a scripture- "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." -2 Peter 3:9

If God is not willing that any should perish then why does it happen? There is an answer! Do you have any ideas?

Thanks!

Yep!

 

[BBAS 64]

Hi everyone, I was just thinking about this- something may be about to come. There is a scripture- "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." -2 Peter 3:9

If God is not willing that any should perish then why does it happen? There is an answer! Do you have any ideas?

Thanks!

Good day, Dave

Who does the pronoun Us refer you see it it the first clause:

as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

The any is a pronoun as well any of us.

There are two groups of people being addressed in the context the beloved and the scoffers.

Who does the US refer to?

Who do the some refer to?

There in the context you find your answer.

In Him,

Bil;l

 

[Bro.T]

Hi everyone, I was just thinking about this- something may be about to come. There is a scripture- "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." -2 Peter 3:9

If God is not willing that any should perish then why does it happen? There is an answer! Do you have any ideas?

Thanks!

Let's take a look at Ezekiel the 18 chapter and see if we can get a little understanding of that question you're asking. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. 5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,

All souls belong to the Lord and just like Paul says in Romans 5, the wages of sin is death, but let's keep down to verse 3 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible. YOUR SALVATION IS AT STAKE! "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

 

[Soyeong]

Hi everyone, I was just thinking about this- something may be about to come. There is a scripture- "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." -2 Peter 3:9

If God is not willing that any should perish then why does it happen? There is an answer! Do you have any ideas?

Thanks!

There can be two things that are both in accordance with God's will that are mutually exclusive so that only one of them can happen. For example, it is God's will for us to do His will and it is God's will for us to have the freedom to choose not to do His will.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Hi everyone, I was just thinking about this- something may be about to come. There is a scripture- "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." -2 Peter 3:9

If God is not willing that any should perish then why does it happen? There is an answer! Do you have any ideas?

God is love (1 John 4:8) and loves us and wants us to love Him back. Love can't be forced (a robot is not capable of love), so He gives everyone the free will to choose whether to repent and submit to Him or not. He has done everything necessary to provide eternal life so that people won't perish by sending His Son to die for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:1-2), but he makes us responsible to choose whether to accept His offer of salvation that He offers to all people (Titus 2:11) or not.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Hi everyone, I was just thinking about this- something may be about to come. There is a scripture- "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." -2 Peter 3:9

If God is not willing that any should perish then why does it happen? There is an answer! Do you have any ideas?

Thanks!

Lutherans know this problem very well. We even have a name for it: Crux Theologorum, The Theologian's Cross.

Without getting deep into the weeds, the answer to this problem boils down to this: Because some people really want, and actually choose Hell.

It sounds absurd, but that's really what it is. God wants everyone to be saved, and God saves us by His grace apart from our works, that means that damnation happens solely by human decision and choice. No one can come to God, it is God who comes to us; it is therefore only us that chooses Hell. God comes to us and we tell Him no, we want Hell.

And if we understand the real problem and depth of our sinfulness, then we also can see that this is true: Deep down, right in the core of ourselves, where all our sin resides, what that wants, what it hungers for, is Hell. It finds Heaven revolting.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Clare73]

Let's take a look at Ezekiel the 18 chapter and see if we can get a little understanding of that question you're asking. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. 5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,

All souls belong to the Lord and just like Paul says in Romans 5, the wages of sin is death, but let's keep down to verse 3 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible. YOUR SALVATION IS AT STAKE! "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

Keeping in mind that Jesus was born, raised, preached and died under the OT.

There was no atonement by the Son of God in which to believe for the remission of sin during the lifetime of Jesus.

 

[Bro.T]

Keeping in mind that Jesus was born, raised, preached and died under the OT.

There was no atonement by the Son of God in which to believe for the remission of sin during the lifetime of Jesus.

That's not true, because Jesus is not only the passover but our atonement as well. In Moses' day the Priest would take 2 goats. One would be killed and the other would be let go. The Goat that was let go was called the scapegoat. On the scapegoat, all the sins of the people were place. It was then taken into the wilderness and released. This represents Jesus dying for us and taking all our sins upon Him self. This is for the ones that put themselves under the blood of Jesus. Also for the people in time pass who was walking in righteousness. There righteousness still counted for the time that Jesus came to die for us in the future. Because remember Paul said this in Roman 5: 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Adam and Eve were put forth from the Garden of Eden and from the Tree of Life. Grace is no more than a free gift retained by keeping God’s Law. Lets go into (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.)

 

[Clare73]

That's not true, because Jesus is not only the passover but our atonement as well. In Moses' day the Priest would take 2 goats. One would be killed and the other would be let go. The Goat that was let go was called the scapegoat. On the scapegoat, all the sins of the people were place. It was then taken into the wilderness and released. This represents Jesus dying for us and taking all our sins upon Him self. This is for the ones that put themselves under the blood of Jesus. Also for the people in time pass who was walking in righteousness. There righteousness still counted for the time that Jesus came to die for us in the future. Because remember Paul said this in Roman 5: 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Adam and Eve were put forth from the Garden of Eden and from the Tree of Life. Grace is no more than a free gift retained by keeping God’s Law. Lets go into (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.)

There was no atonement by the Son of God in which to believe for the remission of sin during the lifetime of Jesus.

 

[Bro.T]

There was no atonement by the Son of God in which to believe for the remission of sin during the lifetime of Jesus.

Paul says in Romans 5: 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

So let's allow Paul to tie together pretty much everything I said in the last post concerning the atonement. 4 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

 

[Clare73]

Clare73 said:
There was no atonement by the Son of God in which to believe for the remission of sin during the lifetime of Jesus.

Paul says in Romans 5: 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Yes, after his death which is the atonement, not during his lifetime before his death when there was no atonement.

So let's allow Paul to tie together pretty much everything I said in the last post concerning the atonement. 4 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

 

[ARBITER01]

Clare73 said:
There was no atonement by the Son of God in which to believe for the remission of sin during the lifetime of Jesus.

Yes, after his death which is the atonement, not during his lifetime before his death when there was no atonement.

That is correct,...

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

If we really want to get into the weeds about it, nobody was born again until Jesus was seated at the right of The Father and given The Holy Spirit to pour out. In essence, the body of Christ started in Acts 2, not beforehand.

 

[Clare73]

That is correct,...

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

If we really want to get into the weeds about it, nobody was born again until Jesus was seated at the right of The Father and given The Holy Spirit to pour out. In essence, the body of Christ started in Acts 2, not beforehand.

What about those who believed in the promise (Ge15:5, the Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16)?

 

[ARBITER01]

What about those who believed in the promise (Ge15:5, the Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16)?

Good point!

From my understanding of it so far (I haven't put much time into this sort of subject in scripture),......When they passed away, they were deposited into a place called Paradise, like Jesus talked about to the thief on the cross. All the old saints were there waiting for the coming Messiah to save them, hence they were the "spirits in prison" from what I can tell, but that is just a guess on my part. Jesus was sent there after his death to preach to them about the new life and for them to accept Him, and those that believed were born again and raised from the dead with Him after His resurrection.

So yes, you're correct. The old saints did experience the new birth prior to Acts 2. Acts 2 would be the start of the New covenant nonetheless though.

 

[Bro.T]

Clare73 said:
There was no atonement by the Son of God in which to believe for the remission of sin during the lifetime of Jesus.

Yes, after his death which is the atonement, not during his lifetime before his death when there was no atonement.

So according to Leviticus the 23rd chapter Jesus kept the Passover feast of unleavened bread and we have the Pentecost, blowing out a trumpet the eighth day feast and the atonement. But the feast of atonement and you say Jesus didn't keep. Can you show in the scriptures or verses that Jesus didn't keep the atonement. Remember Jesus was without sin and keeping the Holy Highs days is part of the law.

 

[Clare73]

So according to Leviticus the 23rd chapter Jesus kept the Passover feast of unleavened bread and we have the Pentecost, blowing out a trumpet the eighth day feast and the atonement. But the feast of atonement and you say Jesus didn't keep. Can you show in the scriptures or verses that Jesus didn't keep the atonement. Remember Jesus was without sin and keeping the Holy Highs days is part of the law.

I am saying no actual atonement by the Son of God was made during the lifetime of Jesus.

It was made by his death.

 

[Bro.T]

I am saying no actual atonement by the Son of God was made during the lifetime of Jesus.

It was made by his death.

I hear what you saying I'm asking for Biblical proof.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

There was no atonement by the Son of God in which to believe for the remission of sin during the lifetime of Jesus.

Could it be said, "Because God is infinite, the Atonement is in the eternal present tense in the mind of God?" This would the eternal now. From this perspective, the atonement would be the same for Abraham, as for St. Paul, as for us today. We make the distinction between the crucifixion and the atonement. The crucifixion is a historical event, the atonement is a supernatural eternal event.