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If there is a name in the Bible then this is a real person. There is a lesson for us in their story that you seem to confuse with a "allegory". An allegory is a story that does not involve a real person.
Yes the story has symbolic meaning. Remember the rules for Bible interpretation? But Adam, Cain & Seth are real people. We can prove that they are real from the DNA. But from a Scientific perspective Bible Adam in Eden descended from Science "Out of Africa" Adam they say over 100,000 years ago. So from a scientific perspective that would be Theistic Evolution. Science has a lot to say about the beginning of farming and Adam was basicly the first farmer. Although they say that there was some farming going back 9,000 years ago so that would be 3,000 years before Bible Adam. Either way it all began in the Middle East just like we read about in our Bible. Science confirms that. All we know is God put Adam in the Garden in Eden to tend the Garden that God planted there. Evolution tells us a lot about biodiversity. So evolution tells us a lot about Eden and how domesticated plants and animals came to be. All those things we read about in our Bible. Science helps us to understand even better what we read and learn about Eden in our Bible.He says that Adam, Cain, Seth, all the way down to Noah were not actual people but represent different hominid species.
That is an allegory, right? The story has a hidden meaning that is represented symbolically? It certainly isn't a literal interpretation.
You don't have diddly.
You have what you might interpret as evidence, but that can lead to phlogiston, wonder drugs and 7-man firecrackers.
I am pretty sure your not willing to do the work, research and study to find out.I am pretty sure there is no DNA evidence for Adam, Cain or Seth.
If you do not know what I mean when I say: "Out of Africa" then lets stop right here. Your going to have to study population genetics before you can have a discussion. Can I suggest the Book: "The Seven Daughters of Eve". That is the book I read and I really enjoyed reading that book. Very interesting. But there are others book on the same subject. That you can get for less then five bucks used.As for your other points, I'm not sure what your belief is.
You say out of Africa AND middle east and you give three dates.
I´m sure you are trying to make a point. I just don´t know what it might be.
He says that Adam, Cain, Seth, all the way down to Noah were not actual people but represent different hominid species.
That is an allegory, right? The story has a hidden meaning that is represented symbolically? It certainly isn't a literal interpretation.
Yes the story has symbolic meaning.
But Adam, Cain & Seth are real people. We can prove that they are real from the DNA.
But from a Scientific perspective Bible Adam in Eden descended from Science "Out of Africa" Adam they say over 100,000 years ago.
Just so you know "Out of Africa" comes from the 1985 movie. So the theory can not have been around for longer then 25 years. But that is long enough that they theory should be in the texts books.
I am pretty sure your not willing to do the work, research and study to find out.
So why do you even bring it up? We are looking at the J2B3 halpotype or group.
There is a halpogroup for both Eve with the MtDNA & for adam with the Y-DNA.
If you do not know what I mean when I say: "Out of Africa" then lets stop right here. Your going to have to study population genetics before you can have a discussion. Can I suggest the Book: "The Seven Daughters of Eve". That is the book I read and I really enjoyed reading that book. Very interesting. But there are others book on the same subject. That you can get for less then five bucks used.
Here is a good place to start: "One of the most hotly debated issues in paleoanthropology (the study of human origins) focuses on the origins of modern humans, Homo sapiens.9,10,3,6,13,15,14 Roughly 100,000 years ago, the Old World was occupied by a morphologically diverse group of hominids. In Africa and the Middle East there was Homo sapiens; in Asia, Homo erectus; and in Europe, Homo neanderthalensis. However, by 30,000 years ago this taxonomic diversity vanished and humans everywhere had evolved into the anatomically and behaviorally modern form. The nature of this transformation is the focus of great deliberation between two schools of thought: one that stresses multiregional continuity and the other that suggests a single origin for modern humans." Actionbioscience | Origins of Modern Humans: Multiregional or Out of Africa?
No allegory.
Its scripture.
Adam was a species:
Genesis 5:2Male and female created he THEM; and blessed THEM, and called THEIR name Adam, (a species), in the day when THEY were created
I am NOT talking about the Out of Africa Eve. I am talking about the Eve that we read about in our Bible that is the Clam mother for the Hebrew People today. The theory of evolution requires this Clan Mother to be a real historical person. I think it is absurd that people suggest that this real Historical person is not the one tradition & the Bible tells us is the Clan Mother for the Hebrew people. Maybe they get confused by the story of the forbidden fruit and the snake. You would think that if the Hebrew people were going to make up a story they would try and make their Clam Mother look more noble then to say she was a fallen women that ate the forbidden fruit from the tree God told her not to eat. Actually my mom use to use the term: "matriarch". I suppose there are lots of terms you can use.If you are talking about mitochondrial eve, that isn't an indication of an actual Eve.
Do you accept that the Big Bang essentially marks the 'beginning" as found in Gen 1:1,...
I am pretty sure your not willing to do the work, research and study to find out.
So why do you even bring it up? We are looking at the J2B3 halpotype or group.
There is a halpogroup for both Eve with the MtDNA & for adam with the Y-DNA.
Yes there is, the MtDNA confirms who the Clam Mother is for the Hebrew People. We know where she lived and when she lived. Science and the Bible both say Even lived in the same place at the same time. There is a ton of scientific evidence that proves the Bible is true when it comes to the Adam and Eve we read about in Chapter Two of Genesis.I am not saying that Eve is not this clan mother. I am saying that there is no scientific methodology to confirm your assumption.
I guess you never heard of Noah and Noah's flood.They are produced by distant cousins marrying and lineages going extinct.
You can study the DNA of the Hebrew People for yourself. The point is that the Bible is true and the DNA research and evidence proves the Bible is true. Once again you have failed to show otherwise. But at least from what you claim your suppose to be able to do just that so produce your evidence that either the Bible is not true or it can not be true. This is your golden opportunity to falsify the Bible once and for all with all your vast knowledge in Biology and with DNA and population genetics. Bring on your best PHd to give us the Genetic Evidence to establish once and for all that the Eve in the Bible was not a real person and she could not have existed from a Biological Scientific perspective. Don't be shy.MRCA of the J haplotype or another, are not an indication that an entire population was founded by a single person.
I guess you never heard of DRB1 alleles, of which there should only be less than 20 if Noah's flood story is true. Instead, there are hundreds of DRB1 alleles. This demonstrates that the human population never dipped to the numbers you are claiming. Period.I guess you never heard of Noah and Noah's flood.
Yes there is, the MtDNA confirms who the Clam Mother is for the Hebrew People. We know where she lived and when she lived. Science and the Bible both say Even lived in the same place at the same time. There is a ton of scientific evidence that proves the Bible is true when it comes to the Adam and Eve we read about in Chapter Two of Genesis.
Of course we can not verify that God made Eve from the rib of Adam. But from a scientific bases you could get all the DNA you need from the bone marrow in Adam to make Eve. Science tells us this COULD be true. Eve then would have the MtDNA from Adams Mother. That would be the only MtDNA available to Adam to pass onto his wife.
Yes there is, the MtDNA confirms who the Clam Mother is for the Hebrew People. We know where she lived and when she lived. Science and the Bible both say Even lived in the same place at the same time. There is a ton of scientific evidence that proves the Bible is true when it comes to the Adam and Eve we read about in Chapter Two of Genesis.
Of course we can not verify that God made Eve from the rib of Adam. But from a scientific bases you could get all the DNA you need from the bone marrow in Adam to make Eve. Science tells us this COULD be true. Eve then would have the MtDNA from Adams Mother. That would be the only MtDNA available to Adam to pass onto his wife.
You can study the DNA of the Hebrew People for yourself. The point is that the Bible is true and the DNA research and evidence proves the Bible is true.
Once again you have failed to show otherwise.
Bring on your best PHd to give us the Genetic Evidence to establish once and for all that the Eve in the Bible was not a real person and she could not have existed from a Biological Scientific perspective. Don't be shy.
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