"God" is not a reasonable response to any question requiring evidence

Jazer · Nov 11, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Ya -- that's why we have six different theories about the moon, isn't it?

There are lots and lots of theorys about the moon, but one theory does the best job of explaining what is currently known and matches the computer models the best. We have lots of math on the moon so there is a lot of data to feed into the computer.

The sad thing about science is that they are all mixed up and confused and very few people seem to know there is one theory that is any better then the rest. WE see this with evolution. They will take an old obsolete evolutionary theory like the theory that horses evolve from small to big. Even though this theory was falsified a long time ago, still they promote it as true. You find it in text books. So there is a huge amount of misinformation.

I can understand calling creationism a myth with talking snakes and all of that. But really Evolution is the bigger myth. The funny thing is they believe their myth. Just like they have all these myths about the moon and it is so difficult for them to give up the myths to adhere to the more accurate theories that actually have some rock solid math to back them up.

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SkyWriting · Nov 12, 2011

Put Up or Shut Up said:
Fools make God the answer when they have no answer, when they find an answer God moves quietly to one side.

I'd like to see your research on that. It sounds like an interesting study.

SkyWriting · Nov 12, 2011

Phred said:
That's not true. The impact theory fits exactly. And the computer model works.

yup
Theories of Formation for the Moon

Um... no.

yup. Read about it.

And yet, here we are.

After you invest 100,000 years in space travel, looking of any other signs of life,
you'll return to Earth and see God's handiwork in man.
A mathematical, biological, & scientific, miracle.

Still no evidence that a deity even exists much less placed the moon there.

See last point.

SkyWriting · Nov 12, 2011

Put Up or Shut Up said:
Why would anyone want or need to worship anything? how low must a persons state of mind get before they need to look for something to worship?

We'll give you a solar sail and a small oxygen generator. After you've visited a million dozen star systems, you'll come back worshiping everything you find here.

It's really only our current human support system that allows people the opportunity to have faith in something other than God.

SkyWriting · Nov 12, 2011

Phred said:
Why are Christians trying to force science teachers to teach creationism?

I'd be happy if they just cover science better.

I'll go over it again.

Matter & Energy does not just appear out of nowhere.
Once it does, if it does not move until acted upon.
If it does move, it has no way to become "life".
Once it does that, there is no reason or method to become intelligent.

Newton's Three Laws of Motion

If you disagree, then everything you see is a natural event. Why complain about creationists? They are part of nature.
To complain about anything is to rally against the natural result. WHAT else could it be?

Don't worry, just be happy.

SkyWriting · Nov 12, 2011

Put Up or Shut Up said:
Yes that's what they told you, old English dusting and all, it would certainly lose something if it was brought up to date which is exactly why they don't.

Ever do any research on your thoughts? Let me help.
1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

So did you lose anything with 19 translations to choose from? Pup

cupid dave · Nov 12, 2011

SkyWriting said:
We'll give you a solar sail and a small oxygen generator. After you've visited a million dozen star systems, you'll come back worshiping everything you find here.

It's really only our current human support system that allows people the opportunity to have faith in something other than God.

If you could read more comprhensively it would occur to you that Jesus was arguing along your own trend of thought.

He said that ONLY truth is the way that men can live in the sanity of the Real World (Cosmos).

He said that as The Christ, the messenger to us, he represented The Ideal of Truth.

That was tantamount to asserting that his Father was Reality.

cupid dave · Nov 12, 2011

SkyWriting said:
Matter & Energy does not just appear out of nowhere.

That is a parcel of The Truth that is also stated in Genesis;

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, (the Formative/Cosmology Era), God, (the Uncaused First Cause, or the Dark Energy which pre-existed the material Universe, perhaps???), created...

..... (all that which has followed the Big Bang from the singularity of Planck Time which consisted of Seven Stages:

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1) The Inflation Era
2) The Quark Era
3) Hadron Era
4) Lepton Era
5) Nucleosynthesis Era
6) Opaque Era
7) Matter Era,...

... in an enormous Einsteinian energy transformation, E = mC^2), the (matter composing the) heaven (beyond the Solar System) and the (accretion disk which congealed into the planet) earth.

http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id19.html

Huram Abi · Nov 12, 2011

Posting illustrations out of Time magazine is not supplying scientific material or literature. You know that, right?

You have left out, as you already know, quite a few epochs to fit your numerological obsession with the number 7.

Please stop crying wolf about this imagined "7 stages" of the universe.

Huram Abi · Nov 12, 2011

This is just the primordial era, only the first 100 million years after the big bang:

cupid dave · Nov 12, 2011

Huram Abi said:
Posting illustrations out of Time magazine is not supplying scientific material or literature. You know that, right?

You have left out, as you already know, quite a few epochs to fit your numerological obsession with the number 7.

Please stop crying wolf about this imagined "7 stages" of the universe.

Your criticism was wrong about plants aka Bacteria, and you are again wrong here:

1) STAGE ONE: THE PLANK ERA: ZERO TO 10-43 SECONDS IN THE BEGINNING........ we don't quite know what happened. Physicists have some idea of what could have happened back to the first 10 -43 seconds, an interval of time called the Planck Time.
2) STAGE TWO: THE GUT ERA: 10-43 SECONDS TO 10-35 SECONDSAfter the Planck Era, the conceptual fog begins to clear a little. Between 10-43 seconds and 10-35 seconds, the universe possessed two different forces:
3) STAGE THREE: INFLATION: 10-35 TO 10-32 SECONDS When the universe was 10-35 of a second old, it had cooled to 1029 k.
4) STAGE FOUR: THE HADRON ERA: 10-32 TO 10-4 SECONDS THE BIRTH OF MATTER: 10-32 TO 10-10 SECONDS
5) STAGE FIVE: THE LEPTON ERA: 10-4 TO 10 SECONDS At the beginning of the Lepton Era, matter consisted of a few protons and neutrons swimming in a sea of leptons.
6) STAGE SIX: THE RADIATION ERA: 10 SECONDS TO 10,000 YEARS NUCLEAR SYNTHESIS: 3 TO 5 MINUTES
7) STAGE SEVEN: THE MATTER ERA: 10,000 YEARS TO THE PRESENT
THE THINNING OF THE PHOTONS: 10,000 YEARS

http://www.knowledgetreeproject.org/beginningweb.htm

SkyWriting · Nov 12, 2011

cupid dave said:
If you could read more comprhensively it would occur to you that Jesus was arguing along your own trend of thought.He said that ONLY truth is the way that men can live in the sanity of the Real World (Cosmos).He said that as The Christ, the messenger to us, he represented The Ideal of Truth.That was tantamount to asserting that his Father was Reality.

You're quoting a translation I'm not familiar with.

Bible and Library Search: truth

AV1611VET · Nov 12, 2011

Put Up or Shut Up said:
All this science where does God fit in? anywhere you care to put him I suppose.

Science takes a hike when God shows up.

cupid dave · Nov 12, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Science takes a hike when God shows up.

You don't see how this kind of statement helps Bill Mahr mock the Bible, and your church dogma, as he gathers the young people together in anti-christian ridicule?

Why do you NOT let science people accept this Theistic Evolution I explain to them here?

cupid dave · Nov 12, 2011

Put Up or Shut Up said:
Give us a shout when he does.

In 32 AD His son, The Truth, did show up.

Since then, especially in this last century, the Truth has been established in many disciplines, especially Science.

We can now unlock the sealed Book and support what is said with Science Facts.

Huram Abi · Nov 12, 2011

Cupid, again you insinuate that you are the messiah, hinting that your explanation of the bible is the "unsealing of the book" from Rev 5:5.

Since you brought it up, I will ask you again to give a clear answer on whether you believe you are the messiah. If not, please clear up this issue once and for all by simply and plainly saying "No, I am not the awaited king. Neither is it in my power to loose the 7 seals or to open the book. I am not the root of David, the lion of Judah; the same spoken of in Rev 5:5. I am not the messiah ben David."

Also, if not, you must recognize that only the messiah can unseal the book and retract your assertion that we can unlock the book ourselves.

AV1611VET · Nov 12, 2011

Put Up or Shut Up said:
Give us a shout when he does.

I won't have to, He will:

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

AV1611VET · Nov 12, 2011

cupid dave said:
You don't see how this kind of statement helps Bill Mahr mock the Bible, and your church dogma, as he gathers the young people together in anti-christian ridicule?

In case you haven't noticed, all you would have to do to be mocked is say Jesus walked on water.

If one of your goals here is to avoid being mocked, I feel sorry for you.

Luke 8:53a And they laughed him to scorn,

cupid dave said:
Why do you NOT let science people accept this Theistic Evolution I explain to them here?

These people are going to accept what they want to accept, whether I put my 2¢ in or not.

As the saying goes, it's almost impossible to argue a person out of a position they argued themselves into in the first place.

I love that saying, it has so much truth to it.

Huram Abi · Nov 12, 2011

cupid dave said:
Your criticism was wrong about plants aka Bacteria, and you are again wrong here:

http://www.knowledgetreeproject.org/beginningweb.htm

My critique about bacteria not being plants is SPOT ON, my friend.

And you should always check out who you are sourcing before you post random websites that don't even support what you say.

The anonymous author gives the credentials of a student psychology major whose main focus is behavior in animals. He makes it clear that this is an unfinished, unpublished work from a discipline he didn't go to school for. He is neither a physicist or an astronomer. And, like you, he admits to searching for patterns that are meant to unify all sciences(the point of this project) but isn't well versed in the sciences himself and relies on numerical patterns to make his case. He is a numerologist. He admits that is too much for him to bother keeping updated and has not been worked on since 2005.

You should have spent a few minutes reading his disclaimer section before you bothered posting this unsourced blog or at least the main page. Here it is, in case you simply couldn't find it:

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