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Yes or no.
Pertinent Scriptures Luke 14:15-24
I say yes.
What does DRAW mean?John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
If a Sinner is not actively being Drawn by God, then the sinner is not seeking Him.
What does DRAW mean?
Very nice J.GREEK DRAW:
G1670
ἑλκύω, ἕλκω
helkuō helkō
hel-koo'-o, hel'-ko
Probably akin to G138; to drag (literally or figuratively): - draw.
G138
αἱρέομαι
aihreomai
hahee-reh'-om-ahee
Probably akin to G142; to take for oneself, that is, to prefer. Some of the forms are borrowed from a cognate (ἕλλομαι hellomai, hel-lom-ahee) which is otherwise obsolete: - choose.
G142
αἴρω
airō
ah'ee-ro
A primary verb; to lift; by implication to take up or away; figuratively to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); specifically to sail away (that is, weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare [H5375]) to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).
HEBREW DRAW:
H5375
נָסָה נָשָׂא
nâśâ' nâsâh
naw-saw', naw-saw'
A primitive root; to lift, in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively, absolutely and relatively: - accept, advance, arise, (able to, [armour], suffer to) bear (-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honourable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield.
Excellent input. But I thought, based on many threads here, God draws everyone.John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
If a Sinner is not actively being Drawn by God, then the sinner is not seeking Him.
Well we should all agree the Gospel is involved here.What does DRAW mean?
Seems the clarity of the language is if the Father does not act in drawing, it does not just happen.Very nice J.
So what does DRAW mean in John 6:44?
I don't understand your reply....Well we should all agree the Gospel is involved here.
Agreed.Seems the clarity of the language is if the Father does not act in drawing, it does not just happen.
I think you are reading your own definition into it if you think it means attract.I don't understand your reply....
It's very important, I feel, to understand what the word draw means in different verses.
It does not always mean the same.
Some take the word DRAW to mean DRAG.
Sometimes it does mean DRAG...for instance in
Acts 16:19
Acts 21:30
James 2:6
Sometimes it means to PULL:
John 21:6
John 21:11
To UNSHEATH:
John 18:10
To ATTRACT:
John 6:44
John 12:32
The verse in question is
John 6:44 where the word DRAW means to attract.
I'd like to hear what the other member believes this word means in this verse....and do you believe it means to attract?
These definitions come from foreign language bibles that are similar to the Greek and which more accurately translate each word.I think you are reading your own definition into it if you think it means attract.
The issue is, does the word ever mean attract? And as far as I can tell, no it doesn’t. But even if it did, the context still limits who is “attracted”.These definitions come from foreign language bibles that are similar to the Greek and which more accurately translate each word.
I'm at a loss to understand why the words I posted are not used. If one takes the time to go through the different Strong's meanings,,,it does how that the word DRAW has different meanings for different verses...I wish it had been made easier for the person reading the verse as the word's meaning seems very important to me.
I believe God wishes that all would accept His salvation, but, unfortunately, Jesus said the gate to salvation is narrow and few there be that find it,,,and the way to perdition is wide and many will follow that road. And more so as we reach the end ( I think). It does seem that Christianity is being abandoned by many ---
I agree.The issue is, does the word ever mean attract? And as far as I can tell, no it doesn’t. But even if it did, the context still limits who is “attracted”.
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
— John 6:44
What happens to those who are drawn? They are raised up.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.I agree.
About the Father drawing...
But how does the context limit who is attracted?
Doesn't the Father draw everyone?
Romans 1:19-20 states that God has always drawn all man to Himself...it even states that this causes man to be without excuse and responsible for his rejection of God (if he does indeed reject God).
Isn't this what Romans 1 means to you?
Where in scripture does it state that God limits who He attracts?
I'm very interested in your reply but must go now.
2:00 am here.
Good night Hammster...
Hope to continue tomorrow.
Very nice J.
So what does DRAW mean in John 6:44?
Excellent input. But I thought, based on many threads here, God draws everyone.
I don't understand your reply....
It's very important, I feel, to understand what the word draw means in different verses.
It does not always mean the same.
Some take the word DRAW to mean DRAG.
Sometimes it does mean DRAG...for instance in
Acts 16:19
Acts 21:30
James 2:6
Sometimes it means to PULL:
John 21:6
John 21:11
To UNSHEATH:
John 18:10
To ATTRACT:
John 6:44
John 12:32
The verse in question is
John 6:44 where the word DRAW means to attract.
I'd like to hear what the other member believes this word means in this verse....and do you believe it means to attract?
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