God is inexistent

[toeknee1234567890]

I've wondered, how can god exist? religion does not explain the creation of the universe, both in direct speech and in any symbolic or allegoical form, the universe is not explained through the bible. Why did Jesus die? can someone explain....u all say he died to save us all...from what? from the almighty smiting hands of god....to 'open the gates to heaven' so that our souls may be freed from sin. this doesn't make any sense, what forgives us to allow our souls to be freed from sin, why do we go to confession to ask god for forgiveness in order to get a clean slate. because GOD is the one who frees our sins, like the priest says. GOD therefore is the one who was responsible for jesus' unecessary death, jesus didn't die for any cause other then because god wanted him to die a slow undignified, humiliating slow painful death.

 

[linden]

I've wondered, how can god exist? religion does not explain the creation of the universe, both in direct speech and in any symbolic or allegoical form, the universe is not explained through the bible.

The Bible explains alot about the universe. Col. 1:16

Why did Jesus die? can someone explain....u all say he died to save us all...from what?

from the lake of fire.

Matt 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

from the almighty smiting hands of god....to 'open the gates to heaven' so that our souls may be freed from sin. this doesn't make any sense,

You've been reading too many OT verses, (thats a joke) "my thoughts are not your thoughts"

what forgives us to allow our souls to be freed from sin, why do we go to confession to ask god for forgiveness in order to get a clean slate. because GOD is the one who frees our sins,

Its called grace. Look at 1 John 1:9

like the priest says. GOD therefore is the one who was responsible for jesus' unecessary death, jesus didn't die for any cause other then because god wanted him to die a slow undignified, humiliating slow painful death.

God the Father is the architect of the plan, Jesus humbled Himself to become flesh and take on our sins. No other person in history could do what He did. This satisfied God the Father. By God the Father being satisfied, all we have to do is believe in Jesus Christ and we will have eternal life. This is the crux of Christianity, not religion. Jesus said that religion is like a tomb full of dead men's bones

MAtt 23:27 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.

Linden

 

[SH89]

God the Father is the architect of the plan, Jesus humbled Himself to become flesh and take on our sins. No other person in history could do what He did. This satisfied God the Father. By God the Father being satisfied, all we have to do is believe in JEsus Christ and we have eternal life

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Linden

Linden,

believeing is not enough. We have to

1. Repent-luke 13:1
2. Believe that Jesus is God, that he died for our sins and rose from the dead. Romans 10:9, john 8:24
3. Recieve Jesus as our Lord and God- john 1:12

 

[toeknee1234567890]

linden you make some quotes from the bible to explain but I said the bible doesn't explain about the creation of the universe, it only speaks of the universe. and "it's called grace"
Again you christians seem to think that making subtle comments can effectively communicate an idea, that's a terrible defense and like I said God had the ability to anesthise Jesus. why didn't he do so, God could have brought us up into heaven without forcing Jesus to die, but instead he allowed his son to die a miserable lonely death. You said Jesus' death saved us from hell. He didnt have to die to save us from hell it was God's choice that Jesus died. God could've just saved us from hell through his own accord.

 

[Bible Addict]

linden you make some quotes from the bible to explain but I said the bible doesn't explain about the creation of the universe, it only speaks of the universe. and "it's called grace"
Again you christians seem to think that making subtle comments can effectively communicate an idea, that's a terrible defense and like I said God had the ability to anesthise Jesus. why didn't he do so, God could have brought us up into heaven without forcing Jesus to die, but instead he allowed his son to die a miserable lonely death. You said Jesus' death saved us from hell. He didnt have to die to save us from hell it was God's choice that Jesus died. God could've just saved us from hell through his own accord.

God said that man had to be punished for his sins, He could go back on His word and just let us all in to Heaven automatically, but first of all, He is a God that does not break His word, and He wants us to love and respect Him, so Jesus dies for all of our sins in our place so that all we would have to do is repent/show our remorse for our sins and accept God to get in to Heaven instead of going straight to hell when we died.

 

[Faith In God]

and the person who boldly proclaims this uses faulty grammer. 'non-existant' is the proper phrase. see how man is prone to error even in small things?

 

[toeknee1234567890]

lol at butxifnot. Grammatical errors aren't the point here fool. Sure you can sit there and correct all of my mistakes, or you can actually consider the issues that I raise, of course though, you're a lazy 'zombie-like' charcter who just obides by rules without question, listens and does without question, and believes without question. You may be more grammatically learned then myself but that's what age teaches you to do, how old are you? I'm 15 and then, you're one of those geeks that sit in class and obey the teacher's every command, you despise the rebellious personalities because you don't understand what they set out to achieve, you're a zombie. lol.

 

[Nobody Special]

Hi Toeknee1234567890.

I will try my best to answer your comments and questions. But first I think we need to look at some things.

I've wondered, how can god exist? religion does not explain the creation of the universe, both in direct speech and in any symbolic or allegoical form, the universe is not explained through the bible.

First of all, your first question deals with God’s existence. There is no way to actually prove, or disprove, that He does exist, right? Or again, is there? There are many things that prove God does exist. Creation itself shows us that God does indeed exist. History provides us with proof of God’s protection of Israel, His chosen people, while others around them suffer from disease or disaster.

There are many other proofs, but I will stop there for now.

Why did Jesus die? can someone explain....u all say he died to save us all...from what? from the almighty smiting hands of god....to 'open the gates to heaven' so that our souls may be freed from sin. this doesn't make any sense, what forgives us to allow our souls to be freed from sin, why do we go to confession to ask god for forgiveness in order to get a clean slate. because GOD is the one who frees our sins, like the priest says. GOD therefore is the one who was responsible for jesus' unecessary death, jesus didn't die for any cause other then because god wanted him to die a slow undignified, humiliating slow painful death.

How is it that God can send His only Son to die for our sins? What is it that we are "Saved" from?

This is really a simple question. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, having been tempted by Satan, they were cast out of the Garden of Eden. That was the first sin. As a penalty for sins, God created Hell, a place where we will forever be separated from God.

(I could go into the difference between hell and the Lake of Fire, but I will save that for another time.)

After that time, God proved Laws and Commends for all people to follow. They deal with everything from accidentally injuring another’s animal to murder and adultery. These Laws and commands were written down for all of mankind. After that the only way that forgiveness could be obtained was with an animal sacrifice.

Why an animal sacrifice? Two reasons. First is that at that time wealth was measured by the size of the herds that a family owned. Property was purchased with animals, and laborers were paid with animals. They were a main source of food and provided a way to get work done, such as plowing fields and carrying large loads.

The second reason is that animals were often made pets. Family members became attached to the animals and treated them as members of the family. To sacrifice one of them was like sacrificing a son or daughter. This often created a great deal of sadness for the family members.

Through out history there are many times that sacrifices are made for payment of sins. God had told of the final sacrifice being made, telling of the time when He would send the Savior of mankind. That promise was fulfilled in Jesus.

God could have brought us up into heaven without forcing Jesus to die, but instead he allowed his son to die a miserable lonely death. You said Jesus' death saved us from hell. He didnt have to die to save us from hell it was God's choice that Jesus died. God could've just saved us from hell through his own accord.

This is true, but doing that would have taken away our being able to choose whether or not we wanted to accepted His gift of Salvation. By providing us with this choice, God gave us free will to choose to follow Him or not.

This comment:

Again you christians seem to think that making subtle comments can effectively communicate an idea, that's a terrible defense and like I said God had the ability to anesthise Jesus. why didn't he do so,

Aside from the spelling and grammar errors, there is a very good reason for God’s NOT providing an anesthesia for Jesus. Jesus had to bear the full weight of our sins, including the pain that it causes God when we sin. To have an anesthesia provided would have taken away from that. Besides, you missed something in this. Jesus WAS offered and anesthesia but refused it.

Matthew 27
"33They came to a place called Golgotha (which means The Place of the Skull). 34There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it." (Quoted from the New International Version, a.k.a. the NIV, of the Bible.)

Wine and gall were both mixed as an anesthesia to remove, or at least lessen, the pain of being crucified. Yet Jesus refused to take it. He knew the importance of having to bear the pain of our sins for forgiveness.

One last thing:

why do we go to confession to ask god for forgiveness in order to get a clean slate. because GOD is the one who frees our sins, like the priest says.

Please do not confuse Roman Catholics with Christians. Although RCs do teach about Jesus, some of their beliefs are not correct with what the bible teaches. Just a side not.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions. I look forward to your reply.

NS

 

[Nobody Special]

lol at butxifnot. Grammatical errors aren't the point here fool. Sure you can sit there and correct all of my mistakes, or you can actually consider the issues that I raise, of course though, you're a lazy 'zombie-like' charcter who just obides by rules without question, listens and does without question, and believes without question. You may be more grammatically learned then myself but that's what age teaches you to do, how old are you? I'm 15 and then, you're one of those geeks that sit in class and obey the teacher's every command, you despise the rebellious personalities because you don't understand what they set out to achieve, you're a zombie. lol.

First the concern. The comments you have made here might be considered Flaming, or upsetting another poster. You're welcome to have your opinions, but please find a more polite way to state them, or keep them to yourself.

Secondly, you are generalizing. What that means is that you are, in a way, saying that all Christians are "zombie-like" and "obides (abides) by the rules with question." For someone so young, you are making assumptions that are not accurate. I, for one, question everything that I am taught. I research it completely, not taking it for fact until I am certain it is correct.

Also, "obeying the teacher's every command" is called classroom order, or decorum. In a classroom setting it becomes necessary to follow the teacher’s instructions for the time you are in the classroom so that order can be maintained. Otherwise the class disruption would not allow the students that are there to learn to be able to do so.

And not everyone that sits in classrooms are "geeks" as you say. Many of us are athletes and interesting people. The problem, I think, is that you are don’t like sitting in the classroom and feel that everyone who does so to learn must be a geek. I am not, not by a long shot.

NS

 

[Faith In God]

lol at butxifnot. Grammatical errors aren't the point here fool.

you must remember I am a bible-thumping Christian. the fool says in his heart there is no God. lighten up. only pointing out that man is prone to error. You don't know everything

Sure you can sit there and correct all of my mistakes, or you can actually consider the issues that I raise,

sorry for dissecting your sentence, but it is a run-on.

KIDDING! anyway, I have considered a great many things that atheists have brought up. still Christian.

of course though, you're a lazy 'zombie-like' charcter who just obides by rules without question, listens and does without question, and believes without question.

what? if I were that, i'd be an evolutionist. Being a Christian is hard. I can't be lazy.

You may be more grammatically learned then myself but that's what age teaches you to do, how old are you? I'm 15 and then, you're one of those geeks that sit in class and obey the teacher's every command,

well, society demands order, no? that's the point of doing 'right'. that's what atheists have taught me. are not Christians supposed to be the judgmental ones? you have certainly learned a lot about a complete stranger over the internet from some corrected grammer as a joke.

you despise the rebellious personalities

i despise no one. I disapprove, but I let them be. Of course I tell them...

because you don't understand what they set out to achieve,

sure I do. I understand their side. I know it very well. I just don't approve.

you're a zombie. lol.

wow. take a deep breath. reread my post and see if you really have rights to judge me to the extent that you did.

 

[Neeter]

If you want answers ask the Lord, He will tell you in His Word.


Before you read the rest of this post, Pray and ask God to show you the truth. If you pray in sincerity, He will give you understanding.

I've wondered, how can god exist?

As our parents always said our heavenly Father also says,
"Because I said so."

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Isaiah 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

All of chapter 38 of the book of Job, God talks about His creation, and He lets us know, we don't have a clue.

Why did Jesus die? can someone explain....u all say he died to save us all...from what?

He die for our sins.. God will NOT allow sin, and the only way for our sin to be covered is by the blood of Christ. God had to have a perfect sacrifice for sin, and the only One that could do that is Christ.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

If you die and have accepted Christ as your savior, you will have eternal life.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

If you die without accepting Christ as your savior, you will have eternal damnation.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

BUT..
Jesus is not dead anymore.. He is alive and well on His throne, and will be coming soon to get those of us that are trusting in Him completely.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;


I pray that you will hear the Lord accept these truths that the Lord gives us in His Word..


Love in Christ,
Nita

 

[~Nikki~]

You asked why Jesus died - this is why...

Basically God created the universe and everything in it. He also created the laws we live by.

The Bible says that there is not one person who has kept all of these. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (sin is doing anything that does not put God first). For example the Bible says we must love God with all our heart, mind, soul and strength and if there's any time we haven't done that then we've sinned, and sin is punishable by death (the Bible says that 'the wages of sin is death'). The Bible also tells us not to lie - if we've ever lied we've sinned, and the penalty for that is death. Obviously there are plenty of other things, but I'd run out of room...

God's justice requires that everybody is held accountable for their own sins and is punished for them. (If a murderer was sentenced by a judge to imprisonment, you'd think that was fair and just. Not to punish the crime and to let the murderer go free would be unjust). God justly has to punish sin. The Bible says 'without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins'.

It also says that 'just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people...' Basically we have all sinned and are destined for eternal condemnation (that is our sentence) and so God sent His Son Jesus into the world. Jesus never sinned and when he was crucified it means that He gave Himself in our place so that by us repenting of our sins (admitting before God that we have sinned, and turning away from them), and by believing that Jesus died to take the punishment we deserve, and that God raised Him from the dead then we can be made right with God and not be condemned, but have eternal life. When people talk about 'being saved' it means being saved from God's wrath which we deserve for going against Him.

It is up to each individual to do this. You will not get to heaven because of someone else's merit. God will hold each of us accountable for our own thoughts and deeds, and the only way to be right with Him is to believe that 'Jesus died for our sins' and to repent of the things we have done which have gone against God.

With regards to your statement that God is inexistent the Bible says this:
'For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.'
It also says 'the fool has said in his heart, there is no God'.

 

[TheMainException]

Your struggle is a real one my friend. Take this and chew on it for a while, the others have answered your questions in the same way that I would...so munch on this a bit...religion...Christianity is not a religion...Buddhism is religion, Wicca is religion...but Christianity....that's not a religion, it's a relationship...a relationship with the one true King, our father, and our friend...he loves us, he wants what is best for us...he doesn't want any of us to perish...he wants to give us life...free us from the sin the binds us since the birth of sin that Adam and Eve created. Confession isn't necessary, it is healthy, but not necessary. We are forgiven if we believe...that's all you need to be saved from this sin. Jesus death was not unnecessary, it was needed so that we could have a closer relationship to a loving God, our abba (daddy)...have fun with that, wonder about it, chomp on it and mull it over.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

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[crazy4Christ007]

Your struggle is a real one my friend. Take this and chew on it for a while, the others have answered your questions in the same way that I would...so munch on this a bit...religion...Christianity is not a religion...Buddhism is religion, Wicca is religion...but Christianity....that's not a religion, it's a relationship...a relationship with the one true King, our father, and our friend...he loves us, he wants what is best for us...he doesn't want any of us to perish...he wants to give us life...free us from the sin the binds us since the birth of sin that Adam and Eve created. Confession isn't necessary, it is healthy, but not necessary. We are forgiven if we believe...that's all you need to be saved from this sin. Jesus death was not unnecessary, it was needed so that we could have a closer relationship to a loving God, our abba (daddy)...have fun with that, wonder about it, chomp on it and mull it over.

I agree.

 

[Rafael]

I've wondered, how can god exist? religion does not explain the creation of the universe, both in direct speech and in any symbolic or allegoical form, the universe is not explained through the bible. Why did Jesus die? can someone explain....u all say he died to save us all...from what? from the almighty smiting hands of god....to 'open the gates to heaven' so that our souls may be freed from sin. this doesn't make any sense, what forgives us to allow our souls to be freed from sin, why do we go to confession to ask god for forgiveness in order to get a clean slate. because GOD is the one who frees our sins, like the priest says. GOD therefore is the one who was responsible for jesus' unecessary death, jesus didn't die for any cause other then because god wanted him to die a slow undignified, humiliating slow painful death.

Have you wondered, too, how you exist? Can you make a eye or a toe? So why then criticize God as Creator when you don't know how to create one cell of life? You see evidence of God all around you. Who can make any of the natural things you see or experience, and what mistake could come up with such intricate and complex design?

Jesus died to free us from death. Are you dying? Yes you are and so are all things associated to this fallen world where the battle between good and evil rages. Do you see evil in the world - the selfishness, and greed for power? Are you in any way selfish yourself and contribute to this spirit that lets 30, 000 or so children starve to death overnight? Jesus died so that we could be saved from this death we are caught in; not only of the physical, but of the spiritual which makes us think the world revolves around only our own wants and needs. You need a Savior to save you from your own death of body and character - the same as I and all men.

We confess our sins as a first step of identifying a problem within ourselves and agreeing with God that it is true - we are helplessly selfish and fallen, and we can't overcome our nature. The Bible says it this way, "Can a leopard change his spots?" Well no he can't, and neither can we escape the nature we inherited from the first man, Adam, who blew it in the garden of Eden - which was the perfect scenerio for God to offer His own creation a critical choice of obedience with a warning. Without that choice,we would not be who we are, but maybe robots or something other than what we are. It was God's purpose to create a family that would share with Him and know His love, so He could not force love. True love has to be a choice.

It's easy to say why, and we all have questions. That's just our nature, but wisdom is to not condemn but to seek the truth. It is there to be found, but some don't want to even find it because it takes work and effort or they may have to give something. The easy street with no effort or giving leads to destruction, but those that seek God with all their hearts will find Him.

Jer 13:23 Can an Ethiopian change the color of his skin? Can a leopard take away its spots? Neither can you start doing good, for you always do evil.

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Mt 7:7 ¶ "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

 

[linden]

Linden,

believeing is not enough. We have to

1. Repent-luke 13:1
2. Believe that Jesus is God, that he died for our sins and rose from the dead. Romans 10:9, john 8:24
3. Recieve Jesus as our Lord and God- john 1:12

1. repent is = metanoeo = to changing of the mind. My thinking is this: in order to believe in Jesus you have to change your mind first. so I would agree with this, but for the most part, once a person believes, he has already repented.

2. No arguement here.

3. When we believe in Jesus Christ, He indwells us automatically, no need to receive Him. We can not do anything to receive Him except to believe. It is faith alone in Christ alone. Again once we believe in Jesus Christ, He becomes our Lord whether we know it or not.

Eph. 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
not by works, so that no one can boast.

Linden

 

[Faith In God]

1. repent is = metanoeo = to changing of the mind. My thinking is this: in order to believe in Jesus you have to change your mind first. so I would agree with this, but for the most part, once a person believes, he has already repented.

2. No arguement here.

3. When we believe in Jesus Christ, He indwells us automatically, no need to receive Him. We can not do anything to receive Him except to believe. It is faith alone in Christ alone. Again once we believe in Jesus Christ, He becomes our Lord whether we know it or not.

Eph. 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
not by works, so that no one can boast.

Linden

#3. that's not entirely true. the demons and satan believe and know Christ is Lord. it is all a matter of whether or not He is your Lord or not.