God is in one of three boxes, if I show you one option is false, do you switch?

[Gottservant]

When you've finished saying "you don't like it" come back to reality and address whether that has anything to do with the probability of being lucky.

God isn't interested in you dreaming up alternatives to Him, that pass the popularity contest, He is God of the Universe.

In the context of the game what that means is, He takes responsibility for all the wins and losses you don't know what to do anything about for and ensures that because you are focussed on Him, you will still win more times than you lose, to the very end.

If you think Santa is going to do the same for you, with gifts that may have nothing to do with the next choice you have to make, you're kidding yourself.

 

[variant]

No you are making hash of a perfectly sensible objection to suit yourself. If you know that you don't know God, that is knowledge about God. If you think its "knowledge about knowledge" that means you weren't attempting to know God in the first place, you were attempting to know something about knowledge - which is completely disingenuous, since the subject is God.

The subject can only really be God if God exists.

If God is just an idea then the subject is whether the idea describes a reality outside that idea, which I do not know.

Since I do not know if God exists, the subject is knowing something about the scope of my knowledge.

I can't assume God exists by saying that I don't know that God exists, that would be contradictory, and no amount of word play will make it correct.

Sound assumptions are not discredited, whether by calling them assumptions or any other such thing but self-contradictory.

Sound means true, so you assuming your assumptions true doesn't make them any more worthwhile to me. They are your assumptions not mine.

Actually, luck continually changes actuality because of quantum uncertainty.

I'm afraid your days of ruling things out have met their match if you think luck is not going to be a consideration.

Quantum mechanics doesn't really help your argument here so you are just spinning our wheels by introducing it.

If really think questions like "is there a God" depend on things like quantum uncertainty you have really gone off the rails.

Because there is something about luck that you need to learn, it is not merely a gift that you can take for granted.

Learning that you can't take probability for granted is the same as learning that you can't take God for granted, that is one of the reasons why I created this game.

Come back to me when you have a sane, logical argument and we'll talk.

 

[Davian]

When you've finished saying "you don't like it" come back to reality

By every objective measure to date, reality lacks any of the gods of religions, even yours. Do you really want to go there?

and address whether that has anything to do with the probability of being lucky.

You are contradicting yourself. Being "lucky" is beating the odds, not working within probabilities.

God isn't interested in you dreaming up alternatives to Him, that pass the popularity contest,

Do you speak for God?

He is God of the Universe.

You keeps saying this, but I see no reason to believe it. That you believe it to be true is no better than presenting the presents under the tree as evidence for Santa.

In the context of the game what that means is, He takes responsibility for all the wins and losses you don't know what to do anything about for and ensures that because you are focussed on Him, you will still win more times than you lose, to the very end.

I am not interesting in believing in a win, if it ultimately it is only self-deception.

If you think Santa is going to do the same for you, with gifts that may have nothing to do with the next choice you have to make, you're kidding yourself.

I never claimed that Santa and God do the same things. It was about them being on a level playing field in terms of belief.

 

[niye]

Yes, but you won't even find out, unless you play a game that makes (determining) that possible.

That's what I've done, I've given you a game that followed to it's natural conclusion, helps you determine whether God has anything to do with probabilities.

Saying you don't know, is no reason not to investigate.

Tell me if I'm confused here:

We sit down. You show me three boxes. You tell me that one box has a tiny model mosque, the second, a little synagogue, and the third, a church. If I pick the box with the church, I win the game.

So we play 1,000 times. I lose (making a guess) 400 times, while winning 600 times. You say that my winning is a sign that the church is the place to be. I think that it's just probabilities, playing themselves out. I think that had you replaced the places of worship with beagle, terrier, and poodle, probabilities would have operated in the same way. I think this was a waste of my time.

For me to find meaning in this, I need to be convinced, from the beginning, that there is a god, and that this god determines probability. The game itself does nothing to prove that to me.

 

[madaz]

In other words, even if one day the prize was something else, you wouldn't care for even a second?

Not even a nanosecond, I could care less about the monty hall problem.

And what do you say if behind door number B is pascal's wager?

I'd ask, boobie prize?

 

[Gottservant]

I did read your replies, but I am reserved as to whether you are really seeing the connection between making a choice that makes sense and remembering what the choice was for.

 

[pgp_protector]

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[quatona]

God is in one of three boxes

Uhm, ok.