God is in control?

[TobiaAJoshua]

let say if a person has been forced to leave a position within a ministry, and claim it is due to their lack of experience, even though they had hold a similar position overseas for years? what happened? is God not ultimate in control and for God, the most important thing in a servant is His heart? so if a person is forced to leave a ministry, it could only happen if God allows it? is it not?

The Bible teaches that your boss is responsible to pay you a fair day's wage, and you are responsible to give them a fair day's work. The story is told of a man who went for a job interview and was asked if he was responsible. He replied, 'Yes, every time something went wrong on my last job, the boss said I was responsible!' Seriously, do you want to prosper? See that your employer prospers! Hard work is the way forward. 'Work hard, and you will be a leader; be lazy, and you will end up a slave' (Proverbs 12:24 CEV). Instead of looking for ways to improve themselves, lazy employees might try to find fault with their bosses, with the systems they have to use, and with their more diligent colleagues. These people want the privileges others get to enjoy, but they're not willing to work for them.

The Bible says that 'the desires of the diligent are fully satisfied' (Proverbs 13:4 NIV). They get it all; the satisfaction of a job well done, a sense of self-worth, a reputation for integrity, the trust of others, job security, profit, promotion and, most importantly, God's 'Well done'.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

if a person is forced to leave a ministry, it could only happen if God allows it? is it not?

I thought that happened because of church politics.

I mean, people get raped and murdered all the time, do all these things happen also because God allows it?

 

[Neogaia777]

I thought that happened because of church politics.

I thought maybe so also, especially in the west, but you beat me to it...

God Bless!

 

[dqhall]

let say if a person has been forced to leave a position within a ministry, and claim it is due to their lack of experience, even though they had hold a similar position overseas for years? what happened? is God not ultimate in control and for God, the most important thing in a servant is His heart? so if a person is forced to leave a ministry, it could only happen if God allows it? is it not?

The Bible teaches that your boss is responsible to pay you a fair day's wage, and you are responsible to give them a fair day's work. The story is told of a man who went for a job interview and was asked if he was responsible. He replied, 'Yes, every time something went wrong on my last job, the boss said I was responsible!' Seriously, do you want to prosper? See that your employer prospers! Hard work is the way forward. 'Work hard, and you will be a leader; be lazy, and you will end up a slave' (Proverbs 12:24 CEV). Instead of looking for ways to improve themselves, lazy employees might try to find fault with their bosses, with the systems they have to use, and with their more diligent colleagues. These people want the privileges others get to enjoy, but they're not willing to work for them.

The Bible says that 'the desires of the diligent are fully satisfied' (Proverbs 13:4 NIV). They get it all; the satisfaction of a job well done, a sense of self-worth, a reputation for integrity, the trust of others, job security, profit, promotion and, most importantly, God's 'Well done'.

A baseball champion named Leo Durocher said, “The harder we worked, the luckier we got.” He became a manager.

Another worker found after he worked harder, his back was broken.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

let say if a person has been forced to leave a position within a ministry, and claim it is due to their lack of experience, even though they had hold a similar position overseas for years? what happened? is God not ultimate in control and for God, the most important thing in a servant is His heart? so if a person is forced to leave a ministry, it could only happen if God allows it? is it not?

The Bible teaches that your boss is responsible to pay you a fair day's wage, and you are responsible to give them a fair day's work. The story is told of a man who went for a job interview and was asked if he was responsible. He replied, 'Yes, every time something went wrong on my last job, the boss said I was responsible!' Seriously, do you want to prosper? See that your employer prospers! Hard work is the way forward. 'Work hard, and you will be a leader; be lazy, and you will end up a slave' (Proverbs 12:24 CEV). Instead of looking for ways to improve themselves, lazy employees might try to find fault with their bosses, with the systems they have to use, and with their more diligent colleagues. These people want the privileges others get to enjoy, but they're not willing to work for them.

The Bible says that 'the desires of the diligent are fully satisfied' (Proverbs 13:4 NIV). They get it all; the satisfaction of a job well done, a sense of self-worth, a reputation for integrity, the trust of others, job security, profit, promotion and, most importantly, God's 'Well done'.

God is not in control of everything in the way some suggest.

1 John 5:19
19. We know that we are from God and that
the whole world lies under the control of the evil one.

 

[levnishbar]

There is God's perfect will and his permissive will.

It is God's perfect will that all be saved and there be no sin in the world.

But it is God's permissive will that He respects our decisions, resulting in sinners going to Hell, a fallen world and the Holocaust.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

I mean, people get raped and murdered all the time, do all these things happen also because God allows it?

Yes. Perhaps people should wonder why God allows so much suffering and pain. Maybe just maybe it is because people are sinners and God wants them to repent. Many people I know who give them self glory, or to other, never ever thanking God for anything, although God is behind everything good which we don't deserve as we deserve hell, yet as soon as things go wrong they cry and blame God for it.

Even suffering on Earth is still better than what we deserve. If you want to know what we deserve, look at the cross.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There is God's perfect will and his permissive will.

It is God's perfect will that all be saved and there be no sin in the world.

But it is God's permissive will that He respects our decisions, resulting in sinners going to Hell, a fallen world and the Holocaust.

I don’t think “respects” is the correct choice of word, I think permits is probably a more accurate description.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Then you don't know God

Daniel 2:21 He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding; 22 he reveals deep and hidden things;
he knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him.

Daniel 4:35 all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand
or say to him, “What have you done?”

God created everything in 6 days out of nothing just by speaking. He controls absolutely everything. He is not some passive granda in clouds who watches what is going on on Earth as many teach today, no. He is an active God who controls everything so everything happens as He planned before the creation of the world so everything is to His glory.

If that were true then God would be the author of sin.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Just because He allowed sin, does not mean He is the author of sin. He allowed sin so He can show His mercy and forgiveness, but also His wrath. He allowed sin so the Son glorifies the Father on the cross.

Does that make us any less responsible, absolutely not. Is God in control of everything, yes, but He also holds us responsible for our actions. Adam and Eve could have chosen to eat from the Tree of Life, they chose not, does not mean God was not in control in the Garden of the Eden.

Just because we often don't understand why God allows or does certain things, does not mean He is not in control. Just have faith, God is just in everything He does. He is the Creator, does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’

 

[BNR32FAN]

Just because He allowed sin, does not mean He is the author of sin. He allowed sin so He can show His mercy and forgiveness, but also His wrath. He allowed sin so the Son glorifies the Father on the cross.

Does that make us any less responsible, absolutely not. Is God in control of everything, yes, but He also holds us responsible for our actions. Adam and Eve could have chosen to eat from the Tree of Life, they chose not, does not mean God was not in control in the Garden of the Eden.

Just because we often don't understand why God allows or does certain things, does not mean He is not in control. Just have faith, God is just in everything He does. He is the Creator, does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’

In your previous post you said He controls everything and does not sit by passively allowing things to happen.

He is not some passive granda in clouds who watches what is going on on Earth as many teach today, no. He is an active God who controls everything so everything happens as He planned before the creation of the world so everything is to His glory

 

[levnishbar]

I don’t think “respects” is the correct choice of word, I think permits is probably a more accurate description.

Perhaps. But in the case of a sinner choosing to be separated from God, "respecting" his/her decision is a more appropriate word than "permitting" it, although both would work.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

In your previous post you said He controls everything and does not sit by passively allowing things to happen.

Yes. Just because He is in control, does not mean He will not allow evil for His purposes.

In you ever have 1 hour of spare time, I recommend watching this sermon by MacArthur on God's decree

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes. Just because He is in control, does not mean He will not allow evil for His purposes.

In you ever have 1 hour of spare time, I recommend watching this sermon by MacArthur on God's decree

Im not interested in listening to John MacArthur, his theology is not sound. What this is, is creating a double standard by saying that God directly controls everything but then turn around and say that He doesn’t directly control everything. God is in control and everything will happen according to His plan but He does not control everything. God does not cause people to sin, we do that on our own. God allows us to rebel if we do choose, He also allows us to repent if we do choose as well. Our salvation is contingent upon our cooperation with God. I’m confident that John MacArthur will most likely misquote Romans 9 on this subject omitting verses 22 & 23. Romans 9 is about God changing His focus from Israel to the Gentiles. Hence “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy not according to he who wills or runs but according to whom God will have mercy”. Like Paul said it was the Israelites who sought to obtain righteousness by obedience to the law, yet God had mercy on the Gentiles who did not peruse righteousness but arriv

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes. Just because He is in control, does not mean He will not allow evil for His purposes.

In you ever have 1 hour of spare time, I recommend watching this sermon by MacArthur on God's decree

Im not interested in listening to John MacArthur, his theology is not sound. What this is, is creating a double standard by saying that God directly controls everything but then turning around and saying that He doesn’t directly control everything. God is in control and everything will happen according to His plan but He does not control everything. God does not cause people to sin, we do that on our own. God allows us to rebel if we do choose, He also allows us to repent if we do choose as well. Our salvation is contingent upon our cooperation with God. I’m confident that John MacArthur will most likely misquote Romans 9 on this subject omitting verses 22 & 23 about God’s patience on the vessels of wrath much like he said earlier in chapter 2.

“Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The whole purpose of God’s patience is to give everyone the opportunity to repent so that when we stand before Him we will have no excuse for our rebellious behavior and can be rightly judged because we were given every opportunity to repent and repeatedly refused to cooperate. Those who do cooperate and repent will receive forgiveness and salvation, those who refuse will receive His wrath.

Romans 9 is about God changing His focus from Israel to the Gentiles. Hence “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy not according to he who wills or runs but according to whom I will have mercy”. Like Paul said it was the Israelites who sought to obtain righteousness by obedience to the law, (those who will and run) yet God had mercy on the Gentiles who did not peruse righteousness but instead obtained it by faith (those who did not will & run). Calvinists often fail to make this connection in Paul’s message.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Then you don't know God

Daniel 2:21 He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding; 22 he reveals deep and hidden things;
he knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him.

Daniel 4:35 all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand
or say to him, “What have you done?”

God created everything in 6 days out of nothing just by speaking. He controls absolutely everything. He is not some passive granda in clouds who watches what is going on on Earth as many teach today, no. He is an active God who controls everything, so everything happens as He planned before the creation of the world so everything is to His glory.

I used to open and allege the fact that God is, in fact, not "in control" of everything that happens in this world. Nor does He want to be. In fact, to accomplish His will for creation, He has to relinquish control.
First, people confuse sovereignty with total control. Yes, God can do anything, but it is obvious that He does not. The words "sovereign" and "control" do not even exist in the KJV. Most of the time, I do not argue these points because many believers' faith depends on this control doctrine. I do not want to take the chance to hinder their faith. The Lord will show them in His time if they will have faith in Him and open their hearts and minds to the truth. If you are truly interested and want to know, there is a good book on the subject: "The 'God is in Control of Everything' Myth."

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes. Perhaps people should wonder why God allows so much suffering and pain. Maybe just maybe it is because people are sinners and God wants them to repent. Many people I know who give them self glory, or to other, never ever thanking God for anything, although God is behind everything good which we don't deserve as we deserve hell, yet as soon as things go wrong they cry and blame God for it.

Even suffering on Earth is still better than what we deserve. If you want to know what we deserve, look at the cross.

The real question is why humans allow so much suffering and pain, the creation was subjected to frustration because of Adam after all.