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Hebrews 1:3

who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the word of His power, through Himself cleansing of our sins, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high

It's easy to get discouraged by what is going on in this world, and the evil which increases year by year. I want to encourage you, my brethren, that God is still on His throne and not even the most insignificant detail of our lives has escaped his attention. Jesus Christ is upholding the entire Universe by the word of His power, how much more is He upholding us, His church?

Matthew 16:18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

He will not let Satan prevail against us. Jesus Christ is building His church and He will not be outdone. If we build our foundation on the Rock, we will weather the storm:

Matthew 7:25 And the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house. And it did not fall, for it was founded on a rock.

He knows everything about us, and planned it all from before time began. Release all of your problems to Him and trust the Creator, the One who holds our breath in His hands:

Psalm 139

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. O LORD, you have searched me and known me! You know when I sit down and when I rise up; you discern my thoughts from afar. You search out my path and my lying down and are acquainted with all my ways.

Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O LORD, you know it altogether. You hem me in, behind and before, and lay your hand upon me.

Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high; I cannot attain it.
Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence?

If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!

If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me.

If I say, "Surely the darkness shall cover me, and the light about me be night," even the darkness is not dark to you; the night is bright as the day, for darkness is as light with you.

For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth.

Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. How precious to me are your thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them! If I would count them, they are more than the sand. I awake, and I am still with you.

Oh that you would slay the wicked, O God! O men of blood, depart from me!
They speak against you with malicious intent; your enemies take your name in vain. Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD? And do I not loathe those who rise up against you? I hate them with complete hatred; I count them my enemies.

Search me, O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts!
And see if there be any grievous way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting!
 

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Yeah, but unfortunately it doesn't really matter how much control he has or doesn't have since he wont infringe upon our free will :(

Even in Wesleyan terms, he gave you Prevenient Grace and General Revelation to create in you the ability and desire to choose him. He informed you that choosing him gives unlimited reward and not choosing him gives unimaginable punishment. That's not really free will. It's passive-aggressive manipulation. I abandoned my Arminian theology because God is too great to behave like that.
 
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"God resists the proud,
.But gives grace to the humble"

(in James 4:6, and also in 1 Peter 5:5)

So, if God resists people in their pride, He does not totally respect their free will.

And it is for my own good, how God resists me while I am doing anything in ego; because this helps to keep me from getting into as much trouble and doing as much harm as I could.

So, His resistance is caring . . . loving . . . for our own good.
 
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Yes it does help our faith to understand that God is in control of everything both good and bad. With regards to free-will, God has given us earthly relationships to understand him. God is seen as the Father or parent and we are his children. Parents have control over their children and make decisions for them until they reach a certain age after which they are in control of their lives. But even here if they choose a life against their parents wishes then their will be consequences. Free-will is not robotic as Calvinism teaches but it is not independent of God either. God is in control of all people even the ones who don't know him and spit in his face.
 
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Free-will is not robotic as Calvinism teaches but it is not independent of God either. God is in control of all people even the ones who don't know him and spit in his face.

Calvinism doesn't teach that we are God's robots. That's what critics of Calvinism say that we teach.
 
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Calvinism doesn't teach that we are God's robots. That's what critics of Calvinism say that we teach.

I am very familiar with Calvinism and all it's spindly tentacles. They do not believe in human free-will. God is in control of everything to the point that he has decided who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. The human being is not even part of the equation.
 
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I am very familiar with Calvinism and all it's spindly tentacles. They do not believe in human free-will. God is in control of everything to the point that he has decided who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. The human being is not even part of the equation.

You are wrong. Everyone deserves to go to hell. Period. There are some who are preemptively rescued by God and the may or may not be saved. There is plenty of free will. You are free to do whatever you want just as God is free to do whatever he wants. Why would a God who can speak a universe into creation need your approval? What do you add to him?

When I was not a Calvinist, I was taught the same thing as you...by other non-Calvinists who were teaching against it.
 
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You are wrong. Everyone deserves to go to hell. Period. There are some who are preemptively rescued by God and the may or may not be saved. There is plenty of free will. You are free to do whatever you want just as God is free to do whatever he wants. Why would a God who can speak a universe into creation need your approval? What do you add to him?

When I was not a Calvinist, I was taught the same thing as you...by other non-Calvinists who were teaching against it.

No, you are wrong there buddy! Everyone does deserve to go to hell as a result of Adam's sin but conversely everyone deserves to go to heaven because of Christ's righteous life that has been credited to our account. Jesus died for all people not some elitist sect known as the 'elect'. God gives the Holy Spirit to draw all men to the foot of the cross and some respond and some do not. Those who are lost and have turned their backs on Christ will have no one to blame except themselves.
 
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No, you are wrong there buddy! Everyone does deserve to go to hell as a result of Adam's sin but conversely everyone deserves to go to heaven because of Christ's righteous life that has been credited to our account. Jesus died for all people not some elitist sect known as the 'elect'. God gives the Holy Spirit to draw all men to the foot of the cross and some respond and some do not. Those who are lost and have turned their backs on Christ will have no one to blame except themselves.

No one but God knows how many people comprise "the elect". It is not an "elitist sect" nearly as much as those who claim that they "chose" Jesus despite their sinful nature.

The world is full of people who have heard of Jesus and will never call him Lord. Is he that incapable and weak?

The world is also full of people who have never heard of Jesus due to their location. Do they deserve eternity in Hell for just being born in the wrong place? Is God that cruel?

In your non-Calvinist theology, do you account for God's grace instilling in you a need for him?
 
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No one but God knows how many people comprise "the elect". It is not an "elitist sect" nearly as much as those who claim that they "chose" Jesus despite their sinful nature.

The world is full of people who have heard of Jesus and will never call him Lord. Is he that incapable and weak?

The world is also full of people who have never heard of Jesus due to their location. Do they deserve eternity in Hell for just being born in the wrong place? Is God that cruel?

In your non-Calvinist theology, do you account for God's grace instilling in you a need for him?

I an not Arminian either and I have just as many problems with their human centric understanding that leads to self-righteousness. We are saved by grace thru faith and not of ourselves lest any man should boast. People who have never heard of Christ either by time or location can still be saved because the Holy Spirit is everywhere and those who respond to him worship Christ ignorantly not understanding the processes that are taking place in their life. Lastly, I fully acknowledge the grace of God is what led me to Christ, transformed my life and will ultimately lead me to life everlasting.

The best analogy I have heard for our sinful condition is one of being in prison. Within our cells we do have a certain amount of free-will to do this or that but the power to open the cell and escape to freedom is beyond us. Christ is the one who opens the cell and takes us by the hand to freedom. It's not something I can achieve in my own strength. This world of sin is the prison and Satan is the warden. The call of the gospel is that Satan is defeated and the prison is open. Our job is to believe the good news and walk out as free men. Some refuse to believe and stay in their cells and miss out on everlasting life.
 
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I an not Arminian either and I have just as many problems with their human centric understanding that leads to self-righteousness. We are saved by grace thru faith and not of ourselves lest any man should boast. People who have never heard of Christ either by time or location can still be saved because the Holy Spirit is everywhere and those who respond to him worship Christ ignorantly not understanding the processes that are taking place in their life. Lastly, I fully acknowledge the grace of God is what led me to Christ, transformed my life and will ultimately lead me to life everlasting.

The best analogy I have heard for our sinful condition is one of being in prison. Within our cells we do have a certain amount of free-will to do this or that but the power to open the cell and escape to freedom is beyond us. Christ is the one who opens the cell and takes us by the hand to freedom. It's not something I can achieve in my own strength. This world of sin is the prison and Satan is the warden. The call of the gospel is that Satan is defeated and the prison is open. Our job is to believe the good news and walk out as free men. Some refuse to believe and stay in their cells and miss out on everlasting life.

You are about 90% in agreement with what people with Reformed theology actually believe (not what people say we believe). The only difference is in the last sentence, where we believe that the call of Christ is so overpowering (not in robotic programming sense, but in a man dying of thirst in the desert sense) that we can't resist.
 
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With regards to free-will, God has given us earthly relationships to understand him. God is seen as the Father or parent and we are his children. Parents have control over their children and make decisions for them until they reach a certain age after which they are in control of their lives. But even here if they choose a life against their parents wishes then their will be consequences.
I think relating is something to bring into talking about free will. Yes, I understand we each have some sort of "free will", meaning we make choices and reap what we sow. And there is the issue about who is really in control of our choice making.

But more than this, I consider that God designed us so we do best by relating with Him and one another. So, having a totally independent free will would not fit with this design.

We need to be connected with God (1 Corinthians 6:17) and with others in His love. So, being free of this is not good, but is in sin.
 
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The purpose of the post was to glorify God and encourage the saints, not to debate on whether we really have free will or not. The post isn't trying to prove either point, it is simply to say that God is in on the throne regardless of our situation or what the world looks like. It is to say that we need to keep our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. It is to say that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ.
 
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