God is going to use the KJV in heaven!!!

[daveleau]

There are a lot of KJV-onlyists out there (and in here). When my wife read a verse in a Sunday evening Bible study that came from the NIV, there was an issue because the pastor (who was teaching) was focusing on a KJV word used in the text, and the NIV had a different translated word there. One of the associate pastors said (in the meeting) that the NIV stands for Not Inspired Version. We aren't at that church anymore, but this is not the only reason (there were massive leadership problems).

The different translations of the Bible each bring something different. The KJV is great for looking at its artistry. The language used is beautiful, but is the last translation that should be used in trying to convince a non-Christian to be Christian because they are going to stumble trying to understand the language. Plus, it is based heavily on a translation of a translation (based heavily on the Latin Vulgate). This too causes problems. Other versions from the 1970's onward are based on newer scholarship and archeaological findings. They also have updated language. Some are more thought-for-thought and others are more literal.

One word that used to get me was the KJV word of "groves" in the OT. When I picked up an NIV, it is translated as Asherah poles, which were idols made to the goddess Asherah or Ashteroth. This made things so much easier to understand.

There are minor issues with each translation, as they are just that- translations- and it is impossible to convey full meaning from the Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic into any other languages, especially English. But, study and contextual reading of all similar passages can help bridge this gap and is easily found in a good commentary or Bible study guide.

What I'm getting at is that my favorite Bibles are not based on 1 translation, but are parallel Bibles which have more than 1 translation in them. They are a superb tool. If you'd like, I have an extra copy of an NIV/KJV Bible that I can send you to help you get through the studies at your church. It is hardbacked and used, but it is a great tool. If you want it, send me your address via PM and I'll ship it to you.

The Bible is the inerrant and inspired Word of God in the original autographs (the writings put down by the Apostles and Prophets). But, the writings we have are very very slightly flawed in minor details- NOT in theology. So, we have a superb working copy of the Bible that can be considered fully inerrant, meaning the theology within can be trusted 100%. I don't want you to think from the above statements of flaws that I am anything but an inerrantist. The Bible is inerrant.

In Him,
Dave

 

[daveleau]

If I live to graduate, I will go to College lol. College is very high on my list of priorities. Unfortunatly, it doesn't go over very well with my parents and I KNOW everyone in their church gossips about it...
They all think that the only "righteous" thing for a woman to do is get married and start popping out all the kids she possibly can.
Interestingly enough, two weeks after the pastor found out that a "backslidden female" attending his church wanted to pursue a career and go to a College, he preached a sermon on what the role of women in our society should be... AND how higher education at anything other than a KJV bible college, corrupts our minds. It was hilarious once I got over the stupidity of it.

Erm.. No. I don't think so. This "pastor" is proud and stuborn, NOBODY can make him change his mind about ANYTHING....EVER.
He doesn't care if I show up at church or not. I'm not even a member there anyways. His wife REALLY dislikes me as well, so I can only imagine what he thinks of me.

I fully intend on finding a church to go to when I move out. I get "excited" when I imagine how it will be to start attending a church that I will enjoy, and I think about how nice it will be to fellowship with Christlike people, and have a pastor who isn't a jerk (sorry for being so blunt).

I am so glad that you aren't associating the problems with this church with all churches. Very few churches are like this. I hope you will have success in your future, and find a great loving church not focused on legalism.

 

[tel0004]

Thats crazy. I love the KJV, I think its the best ENGLISH translation, but I would love to read the original languages. I doubt there will really be a need for language in Heaven, why would God want to be limited to 26 letters anyway. Plus, I really dont think we will need the bible. In revelation, Jesus says "behold, I make all things new" The bible is for the church age, in heaven, I imagine we will have a complete understanding of God, and have a much greater revelation then can be contained in 1,000 pages. Thats just crazy, I agree that somebody should talk with him. Thats one extreeme KJO viewpoint

 

[peacechild]

There are a lot of KJV-onlyists out there (and in here). When my wife read a verse in a Sunday evening Bible study that came from the NIV, there was an issue because the pastor (who was teaching) was focusing on a KJV word used in the text, and the NIV had a different translated word there. One of the associate pastors said (in the meeting) that the NIV stands for Not Inspired Version. We aren't at that church anymore, but this is not the only reason (there were massive leadership problems).

The different translations of the Bible each bring something different. The KJV is great for looking at its artistry. The language used is beautiful, but is the last translation that should be used in trying to convince a non-Christian to be Christian because they are going to stumble trying to understand the language. Plus, it is based heavily on a translation of a translation (based heavily on the Latin Vulgate). This too causes problems. Other versions from the 1970's onward are based on newer scholarship and archeaological findings. They also have updated language. Some are more thought-for-thought and others are more literal.

One word that used to get me was the KJV word of "groves" in the OT. When I picked up an NIV, it is translated as Asherah poles, which were idols made to the goddess Asherah or Ashteroth. This made things so much easier to understand.

There are minor issues with each translation, as they are just that- translations- and it is impossible to convey full meaning from the Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic into any other languages, especially English. But, study and contextual reading of all similar passages can help bridge this gap and is easily found in a good commentary or Bible study guide.

What I'm getting at is that my favorite Bibles are not based on 1 translation, but are parallel Bibles which have more than 1 translation in them. They are a superb tool. If you'd like, I have an extra copy of an NIV/KJV Bible that I can send you to help you get through the studies at your church. It is hardbacked and used, but it is a great tool. If you want it, send me your address via PM and I'll ship it to you.

The Bible is the inerrant and inspired Word of God in the original autographs (the writings put down by the Apostles and Prophets). But, the writings we have are very very slightly flawed in minor details- NOT in theology. So, we have a superb working copy of the Bible that can be considered fully inerrant, meaning the theology within can be trusted 100%. I don't want you to think from the above statements of flaws that I am anything but an inerrantist. The Bible is inerrant.

In Him,
Dave

That's really interesting. I appreciate your input.
I'm not familiar with parrallel bibles - sounds cool. Thanks for the offer, but unfortunately getting caught with a non-KJV bible in my house would be worse than anything I can imagine.

 

[pplmpeacock]

the only thing that makes me like the KJV verses any other version, is all the strongs numbers

Take this verse as example
Numbers 1:1 And the LORD H3068 spake H1696 H8762 unto Moses H4872 in the wilderness H4057 of Sinai H5514, in the tabernacle H168 of the congregation H4150, on the first H259 day of the second H8145 month H2320, in the second H8145 year H8141 after they were come out H3318 H8800 of the land H776 of Egypt H4714, saying H559 H8800,

Look at all those strongs numbers, yay! lol

 

[YellowSapphire]

Sunday morning, I listened as a pastor told the congregation that in heaven, he believes more than anything else, everyone is going to sit around the throne of God as he teaches us from the ENGLISH KING JAMES BIBLE. Because after all it is the "ONLY inspired word of God".


I could not believe it.

So, do you think in heaven, we are all really going to speak in old english?

For those of you who are KJVO, are not the original Greek and Hebrew translations of the bible inspired? Why or why not???

I am really, really confused.

I'm praying and rooting for you, peacegirl.

Your church sounds like a cult. A pastor who apparently thinks he himself is infalliable? Women only good for marriage and babies? Stricking fear into the hearts of those who pick up a non-KJV Bible? Sounds cultish and controling to me.

I hope you get out and get to go to college. And realize that 99.9% of churches are not like this.

Maybe when you're no longer under your parent's control, you might want to involve your pastor in a debate over which KJV Bible will be in Heaven. After all, it's been revised over a dozen times and there are hundreds of differences between the versions on sale today. And the 1611 version has the "Catholic books." Go ahead and make his head explode.

 

[davidoffinland]

From Finland.

It looks like we all need to study Greek, Hebrew and even Aramaic to see what the Scriptures say.

How´s that for an idea?

Shalom, David.

 

[justified]

I think that's a good idea.

 

[dcyates]

From Finland.

It looks like we all need to study Greek, Hebrew and even Aramaic to see what the Scriptures say.

How´s that for an idea?

Shalom, David.

That would be a wonderful idea!

 

[HomeBound]

It really sounds like a cult. And your parents fall for this garbage? (no offense)

I can't believe there are people like this that have a congregation!

 

[HomeBound]

From Finland.

It looks like we all need to study Greek, Hebrew and even Aramaic to see what the Scriptures say.

How´s that for an idea?

Shalom, David.

Is it hard to do? 'cause that would be great

 

[peacechild]

It really sounds like a cult. And your parents fall for this garbage? (no offense)

I can't believe there are people like this that have a congregation!

Yes. It is very much like a cult I suppose. My parents fall for the garbage because it is really all they have ever known and can accept. If you were to ask me, I would say they aren't very strong in their faith. I think the sense of dictatorship and complete control is a reassurance. And they become very smug in their spirituality because they keep telling themselves that everything they are taught is 100% correct, and there is no possibility of mistakes in the church's doctrine.
They have everything down to perfect, precise little particulars of every single area of daily living...

 

[pplmpeacock]

I could think of a few denomiations of church this sounded like more than a cult.... but then again whats the diffrence, other than a cult is usually tied to non-christian things, and a church is tied to christian things.

no matter what church you go to you will never be taught 100% truth, even a pastor/priest with the best intentions is subject to his own believes and interpritations.

A very good study resource is DAVAR, you can research many texts side by side, along with having acess to greek and hebrew stongs so you can see what the words you are looking at ment in the original language.
Link : http://faithofgod.net/davar/
I recomend the davar3 alpha2, version, click the go get it button for that. This resource is incredible.

 

[TruthMiner]

Sunday morning, I listened as a pastor told the congregation that in heaven, he believes more than anything else, everyone is going to sit around the throne of God as he teaches us from the ENGLISH KING JAMES BIBLE. Because after all it is the "ONLY inspired word of God".

Sad man. Sad.

Unbelievable really.

I can hardly believe that people can be that daft.

 

[Chivahead103]

Wow. Does this pastor have an email address? I would like to send him a letter or two or three or four...

 

[hoadelphos]

I've been studying the original languages the Bible was written in since 1974, and have switched to reading fascimilies of the original manuscripts as my bible study...only referring to English translations when needing to communicate with others who don't know the original languages.

The Bible was not written in English.

From the time of Adam to the Time of Abram (later called Abraham) man spoke only the language that God put on his tongue when God created Adam...Aramaic. Abram was from Ur of the Chaldees, and spoke Chaldee (known today as Aramaic). Hebrew and Aramaic are very close...like American English and UK English (even the US and UK have internal dialects of English). The name of Jesus in Aramaic is Yeshua, and in Hebrew is Yoshua.

It wasn't until the time of the Tower of Babel that man began to speak in different languages other than Aramaic.

In taking a close look at the Hebrew OT in Genesis 2-3, I find it highly likely that the angelic language Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians to be similar to that spoken in the Garden of Eden: by God when He visited Adam and Eve in the cool of the evening; Adam and Eve were used to "talking" animals and spirit beings...the Temptor of Eve is not necessarily an animal and could have been an angelic being (maybe Satan just before his fall). Speaking with other non-humans wasn't out of the ordinary in the Garden of Eden.

In all likelyhood they all spoke the same language then. Thus, there is a good possibility that the angelic language is also close to the language of Aramaic. And when all things have come to an end and God brings forth the new heaven and earth...I would not be suprised if we are all speaking some form of Aramaic.

 

[WannaWitness]

Sunday morning, I listened as a pastor told the congregation that in heaven, he believes more than anything else, everyone is going to sit around the throne of God as he teaches us from the ENGLISH KING JAMES BIBLE. Because after all it is the "ONLY inspired word of God".


I could not believe it.

So, do you think in heaven, we are all really going to speak in old english?

For those of you who are KJVO, are not the original Greek and Hebrew translations of the bible inspired? Why or why not???

I am really, really confused.

It is completely understandable as to why one would prefer KJV over other translations, even to the point of being "KJV Only". In fact, I respect them for that. Of course, I am not "KJV Only", but I am very careful about the Bible translations I do read. I also read NKJV, and am looking into checking out New American Standard when I get a chance.

What you're saying is a completely new one on me. How can anyone say (or even guess) what language/dialect will really be spoken in Heaven? My guess is that the Heavenly language is something that no one here on this mortal earth can even remotely imagine until we get there. I also believe it will be one language, as everyone will be equal.

 

[hlaltimus]

They have a unique language all their own in heaven, so don't look for the grand, old King James translation in heaven. Also, don't look too hard for your old, Earthly name either, and for the same reason. Heaven is a perfect place, so very unexceptionally perfect that we just cannot properly fathom this state of utter purity here and now. This world of God, Angels and glorified Saints is so very perfect that the mere use of an Earthy tongue there would corrupt it's purity. This is one reason why the angel who addressed old Jacob would not reveal his name to Jacob. The very use of that perfect name upon the lips of an unclean man, though redeemed, would profane it. The name that you have now is a name which represents an imperfect person, myself included, and so there really is a, "New name written down in glory, and it's mine!" A truly perfect realm demands a perfect dialect, and so it will be. Saints have upon occasion been addressed by either God or angels in an Earthy language, but this was a condescension on God's part or revelation to man would have never been possible otherwise. I have no doubt that angels, upon heralding a beautiful message to mankind in an Earthly language, have actually been grieved to use that language, and yet pleased to minister salvation to God's people never-the-less as heaven is just as perfect a place in love as it is in purity.

 

[GrinningDwarf]

Sunday morning, I listened as a pastor told the congregation that in heaven, he believes more than anything else, everyone is going to sit around the throne of God as he teaches us from the ENGLISH KING JAMES BIBLE. Because after all it is the "ONLY inspired word of God".

I guess that means believers from Adam through the apostles and all Christians from non-English speaking countries who have died are spending some of their time in heaven learning English, huh?

Sorry, but that's just stupid.

 

[SumSam]

Ask your pastor if there is a chance to be saved for who dont speak English

Yes, Peacechild, please ask your pastor what is the status of all the millions of Christians in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America, who don't read the King James Version Bible and who don't speak the Queen's English. What about them?

Further, you might follow up with another question to your pastor about the the Great Commision of Lord Jesus to his disciples, to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature...erm..were they supposed to use the KJV, full 1600 years before it got written?

And why English, might I ask? Why not Aramaic, since that was what Jesus actually spoke in His day and time? What accords English this special status, considering that a hundred years ago, a bare handful of nations spoke it, and who's to say what the world shall be speaking a hundred years hence?

Sheesh, extremists come in all hues and stripes and guises.

Yeah, Peacechild, you're stuck with that church on account of living with your parents, but this is an opportunity for you to be the voice of reason and perhaps even get your pastor to see things in a new light. Good Luck and God Bless!