• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

God is a God of ORDER!!!

Status
Not open for further replies.

BAFRIEND

Well-Known Member
Feb 16, 2007
15,847
1,173
✟23,362.00
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Private
It certainly mentions a man and a woman, however, YOU are adding your own commentary by using the exclusivity of the phrase "only between a man and woman". That is not said.

It specifically time and again only mentions man and a woman- that is not my commentary or a mistaken perception now is it ?

Even if he used fornication, adultery and the teaching of Paul about sexual immorality it would not prove ANYTHING as far as a sexual orientation is concerned.

It most certainly does prove something about a homosexual orientation. If you have a condition which leads you to desire or weakens your will towards a specific sin like fornicating with members of the same sex- then that is certainly an objective moral disorder.

Sexual relations between men and women are sinful only in the context. Married relations between men and women make the union sacramental. Because same sex partners relations can never be sacramental- then same-sex relations are always objectively sinful.
 
Upvote 0
B

BigBadWlf

Guest
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" 1 Cor. 14:33


From start to finish, His Word reinforces the marriage bond between a man and a woman. Not once is same-sex marriage ever mentioned or alluded.

God is a God of order. He does not set out a path and then proclaim it's okay that you do something else by default because He didn't specifically tell you to not do something else.

If He tells us that a man leaves his mother and father and is joined as one with his wife, then there is no need to say that a man cannot join as one with another man.

God is a God of order. That which authors confusion is not of Him. And all of the homosexual and homosexual sympathizing rhetoric that its okay because Jesus didn't say it wasn't authors confusion about His Word that is not of God.
sign0195.gif




GEN 2:23-24 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man."

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

DEU 24:5 If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.

MAL 2:14-15 You ask, "Why?" It is because the LORD is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.

15 Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.

MARK 10:6-12 "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'

7 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,8 and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one.9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this.11 He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

ROM 7:1-3 Do you not know, brothers--for I am speaking to men who know the law--that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives?

2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.

3 So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.

1CO 7:1-13 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband.4 The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.

5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that
Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.6 I say this as a concession, not as a command.

7 I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.

9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.

11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.

13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband.
Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?


HEB 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.



Forget the 10 reasons why gay marriage is wrong.

There are 66 Books, nearly 1200 Chapters, over 31,000 verses and 1 GOD Who gives testimony to why it's wrong.

The only way to conclude that gay marriage is acceptable to Jesus Christ is to throw out all of Scripture.

To those who continue to falsely preach doctrine in opposition to God's Word , the Bible says:

17These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.

20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit,"and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud." 2 Peter 2:17-22
From start to finish, His Word reinforces the social superiority of whites over blacks. Not once is civil or equal rights ever mentioned or alluded.

If any one is interested I could go on citing the parallels between prejudice for one minority and prejudice for a separate minority and how the rhetoric is indistinguishable
 
Upvote 0
B

BigBadWlf

Guest
If it's "of God", then it agrees with what Zaac believes.

If it's "opinions", then it disagrees with what Zaac believes.

Zaac: I grew up in an ultra-fundamentalist Southern Baptist church which could probably out-conservative and out-legalist yours, so I know that song and dance routine.

The fact that you are a Southern Baptist pastor does not mean you are infallible.
"You can safely conclude you have created God in your own image when it turns out that He hates all the same people you do" - Anne Lamott
 
Upvote 0

davedjy

Well-Known Member
Dec 11, 2006
2,184
1,080
Southern California
✟33,592.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
It specifically time and again only mentions man and a woman- that is not my commentary or a mistaken perception now is it ?
YES, your commentary is by saying that the Bible says marriage is only between a man and a woman. While a man and a woman are mentioned, that does not prove anything. The Bible does not say this is the only allowable arrangement.



It most certainly does prove something about a homosexual orientation. If you have a condition which leads you to desire or weakens your will towards a specific sin like fornicating with members of the same sex- then that is certainly an objective moral disorder.
The problem with the notion is that you cannot prove that two same sex people in a monogamous, life long relationship are fornicating at all.
Sexual relations between men and women are sinful only in the context. Married relations between men and women make the union sacramental. Because same sex partners relations can never be sacramental- then same-sex relations are always objectively sinful.

You can't prove that it is not blessed by God, so you AGAIN, are adding commentary by saying this.
 
Upvote 0

Zaac

Well-Known Member
Nov 19, 2004
8,430
426
Atlanta, GA.
✟12,748.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
From start to finish, His Word reinforces the social superiority of whites over blacks. Not once is civil or equal rights ever mentioned or alluded.

Show us. Show us in God's Word from start to finish where He subordinates Blacks to Whites.

If any one is interested I could go on citing the parallels between prejudice for one minority and prejudice for a separate minority and how the rhetoric is indistinguishable

You can site parallels between anything. Doesn't mean that it means anything.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.