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God is a God of ORDER!!!

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"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" 1 Cor. 14:33


From start to finish, His Word reinforces the marriage bond between a man and a woman. Not once is same-sex marriage ever mentioned or alluded.

God is a God of order. He does not set out a path and then proclaim it's okay that you do something else by default because He didn't specifically tell you to not do something else.

If He tells us that a man leaves his mother and father and is joined as one with his wife, then there is no need to say that a man cannot join as one with another man.

God is a God of order. That which authors confusion is not of Him. And all of the homosexual and homosexual sympathizing rhetoric that its okay because Jesus didn't say it wasn't authors confusion about His Word that is not of God.
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GEN 2:23-24 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man."

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.


DEU 24:5 If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.

MAL 2:14-15 You ask, "Why?" It is because the LORD is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.

15 Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.


MARK 10:6-12 "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'

7 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,8 and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one.9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this.11 He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."


ROM 7:1-3 Do you not know, brothers--for I am speaking to men who know the law--that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives?

2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.

3 So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.


1CO 7:1-13 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband.4 The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.

5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that
Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.6 I say this as a concession, not as a command.

7 I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.

9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.

11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her.

13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband.
Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?



HEB 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.



Forget the 10 reasons why gay marriage is wrong.

There are 66 Books, nearly 1200 Chapters, over 31,000 verses and 1 GOD Who gives testimony to why it's wrong.

The only way to conclude that gay marriage is acceptable to Jesus Christ is to throw out all of Scripture.


To those who continue to falsely preach doctrine in opposition to God's Word , the Bible says:

17These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.

20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit,"and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
2 Peter 2:17-22
 
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So the Bible is now ONLY about sex and relationships?

And what does order have to do with it anyway?

God is a God of order? Fine whatever, but that has nothing to do with homosexuality.

If you want to make another rant about how God is totally against homosexuality, just do it. Don't try to cover it up with fancy words.
 
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So the Bible is now ONLY about sex and relationships?

Are you saying it is because I didn't see where anyone said that.

And what does order have to do with it anyway?

Are you a Christian? If you are, you'll understand what order has to do with it.

God is a God of order? Fine whatever, but that has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Sure it does. A God of order doesn't tell a man to join with a wife and then turn around and tell the man to join with another man. That creates confusion about what He wants and God does not author confusion.

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. Genesis 2:24


A God of order does not define fornication, say to flee fornication and then turn around and tell you its okay for same-sex couples to fornicate. That creates confusion about what He wants and God does not author confusion.

1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body

A God of order does not say it's a good thing to marry and every wife should have her own husband andevery husband his own wife and then turn around and say it's okay for man to marry a man and a woman to marry a woman.That creates confusion about what He wants and God does not author confusion.


1CO 7:1-13 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

He does not make known that He is the Bridegrooma nd the Church is His bride and then turn around and say that it is okay for a bride to join with a bride or a bride groom to join with a bride groom.That creates confusion about what He wants and God does not author confusion.

And Jesus said to them, "The attendants of the bridegroom cannot mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, can they? But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast." Matthew 9:15

Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready. Revelation 22:17

It is very easy to tell when people are giving opinions and not that which is of GOD. It authors confusion about what He DOES say in His Word.
 
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It is very easy to tell when people are giving opinions and not that which is of GOD. It authors confusion about what He DOES say in His Word.

If it's "of God", then it agrees with what Zaac believes.

If it's "opinions", then it disagrees with what Zaac believes.

Zaac: I grew up in an ultra-fundamentalist Southern Baptist church which could probably out-conservative and out-legalist yours, so I know that song and dance routine.

The fact that you are a Southern Baptist pastor does not mean you are infallible.
 
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If it's "of God", then it agrees with what Zaac believes.

If it's "opinions", then it disagrees with what Zaac believes.

Zaac: I grew up in an ultra-fundamentalist Southern Baptist church which could probably out-conservative and out-legalist yours, so I know that song and dance routine.

The fact that you are a Southern Baptist pastor does not mean you are infallible.
Address his points instead of just thinking he's out to get you. He has scriptural backing.
 
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Are you saying it is because I didn't see where anyone said that.



Are you a Christian? If you are, you'll understand what order has to do with it.



Sure it does. A God of order doesn't tell a man to join with a wife and then turn around and tell the man to join with another man. That creates confusion about what He wants and God does not author confusion.

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. Genesis 2:24


A God of order does not define fornication, say to flee fornication and then turn around and tell you its okay for same-sex couples to fornicate. That creates confusion about what He wants and God does not author confusion.

1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body

A God of order does not say it's a good thing to marry and every wife should have her own husband andevery husband his own wife and then turn around and say it's okay for man to marry a man and a woman to marry a woman.That creates confusion about what He wants and God does not author confusion.


1CO 7:1-13 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

He does not make known that He is the Bridegrooma nd the Church is His bride and then turn around and say that it is okay for a bride to join with a bride or a bride groom to join with a bride groom.That creates confusion about what He wants and God does not author confusion.

And Jesus said to them, "The attendants of the bridegroom cannot mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, can they? But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast." Matthew 9:15

Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready. Revelation 22:17

It is very easy to tell when people are giving opinions and not that which is of GOD. It authors confusion about what He DOES say in His Word.

Yes I am a Christian and I still don't see what order has to do with homosexuality. Order has to do with everything obviously but not enough with homosexuality for it to be worth mentioing. You're thinking of "normality".

Also, you said it.

"From start to finish the Bible reinforces man and a woman..." Not your exact words. It was your second line in the first post. If you didn't intend this, I suggest rephrasing it to say something like "Relationships in the Bible are reinforced as being..." because that's highly misleading.
 
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Maybe Uber does too. He is a Christian also.
Perhaps he should show it then, and actually engage Zaac in debate using the points he has to offer, rather than call him names because he doesn't agree with him. We're all interested in the truth here.
 
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If it's "of God", then it agrees with what Zaac believes.

If it's "opinions", then it disagrees with what Zaac believes.

Zaac: I grew up in an ultra-fundamentalist Southern Baptist church which could probably out-conservative and out-legalist yours, so I know that song and dance routine.

The fact that you are a Southern Baptist pastor does not mean you are infallible.

Hey there Uber. Hope you're doing well today. As antiBiblical as you are in near everything you say, I can't help but like you. :D
 
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a god of order? confusion is not of god?

i can't imagine anything more confusing than having the bible 'reinforce' same sex marriage, only to discover that i'm not heterosexual. talk about confusing!

i am not gay, so the pain of having to be celibate my whole life is something i cannot understand and, according to most of you, this is what you think our god demands.

oh yes! but they can 'become' heterosexual, correct? yeah, sure than can.
 
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Zaac said:
From start to finish, His Word reinforces the marriage bond between a man and a woman. Not once is same-sex marriage ever mentioned or alluded.


Arguments based upon silence are not good ones for either side on this debate. All the Scripture quoting you have referenced does not condemn OR endorse same sex marriages.


You have also not proven that gay relationships are out of order. The thread OP amounts to a big F minus.
 
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So the Bible is now ONLY about sex and relationships?

And what does order have to do with it anyway?

God is a God of order? Fine whatever, but that has nothing to do with homosexuality.

If you want to make another rant about how God is totally against homosexuality, just do it. Don't try to cover it up with fancy words.
This is just adressing the fact that only marriage is sacramental when it is between a man and a woman.

Jesus, in His own words, teaches us about the religous legality of marriage on his teaching about divorce.

Now, the OP could have gone into the objectively sinful nature of homosexuality if he wanted to by using fornication, adultery, and the teachings of Paul about sexual immorality if he wanted to.
 
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Arguments based upon silence are not good ones for either side on this debate. All the Scripture quoting you have referenced does not condemn OR endorse same sex marriages.


You have also not proven that gay relationships are out of order. The thread OP amounts to a big F minus.
See the post directly above this.
 
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Zaac: I grew up in an ultra-fundamentalist Southern Baptist church which could probably out-conservative and out-legalist yours, so I know that song and dance routine.

The fact that you are a Southern Baptist pastor does not mean you are infallible.

Having a Baptist background myself- there are some things I disagree with them over (but that is self-evident bacause I am Catholic).

But one thing I will say for Baptists- morality is not their weak point and there are not many I could easily say were relativists.

Follow the views of a Baptist Minister who serves the Lord or the views of a person who leads a gay lifestyle ?

The decision is self-evident to me over who would be the most infallibe.
 
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This is just adressing the fact that only marriage is sacramental when it is between a man and a woman.
It certainly mentions a man and a woman, however, YOU are adding your own commentary by using the exclusivity of the phrase "only between a man and woman". That is not said.

Jesus, in His own words, teaches us about the religous legality of marriage on his teaching about divorce.
Yes...and? this doesn't prove anything.
Now, the OP could have gone into the objectively sinful nature of homosexuality if he wanted to by using fornication, adultery, and the teachings of Paul about sexual immorality if he wanted to.

Even if he used fornication, adultery and the teaching of Paul about sexual immorality it would not prove ANYTHING as far as a sexual orientation is concerned.
 
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