God hates atheists

[JGG]

From KJV:

Psalm 53:1 - The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God." Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

And what does God think of fools and those who do iniquity?

Psalm 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

from the Hebrew Interlinear Edition:
Psalm 53:1 - he says decadent one in heart of him there is no Elohim they are corrupt and they are abhorrent iniquity there is no one doing of good.

Psalm 5:5 - not they shall station themselves ones boasting to in front of eyes of you you hate all of ones contriving of lawlessness.

Why would I believe in a God who hates me for not believing in Him? What would happen if my faith faltered? Would God sort of hate me?

 

[salida]

Where does it say God hates athiests? Without Christ we all are corrupt. He hates sin. Twisting scripture gets you nowhere.

Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[drich0150]

From KJV:

Psalm 53:1 - The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God." Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

And what does God think of fools and those who do iniquity?

Psalm 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

from the Hebrew Interlinear Edition:
Psalm 53:1 - he says decadent one in heart of him there is no Elohim they are corrupt and they are abhorrent iniquity there is no one doing of good.

Psalm 5:5 - not they shall station themselves ones boasting to in front of eyes of you you hate all of ones contriving of lawlessness.

Why would I believe in a God who hates me for not believing in Him? What would happen if my faith faltered? Would God sort of hate me?

Did you notice the sparsity of the verses that had to be used for the original author of this "message" to make His point? If you are interested I can put these verses back into context for you if you like. But know if I do you will loose the biblical "foundation" for your argument.

To directly answer your question about loosing Faith, Look at Luke 15 and the story about the prodigal Son. The moral of that story is that it is not the father that disowns the son, but the son who disowns the father. If the son decides to perish in the wilderness it is through no fault of the father.

 

[JGG]

Where does it say God hates athiests?

Well the first part is one of two rather famous passages that demonstrates that atheists are fools. In the same passage it also describes atheists as they that "[do] abominble iniquity."

The second quote tells us God's attitude toward these people: "[He] hatest all workers of inquity."

I should also add that I received this explanation from a Recontrsuctionist website, on why God Hates Atheists.

Also, Oi_Antz and I have been discussing this at great length and we agree that's what it says.

 

[JGG]

Did you notice the sparsity of the verses that had to be used for the original author of this "message" to make His point?

The sparsity? No, I didn't. In fact, it seems pretty coherent.

If you are interested I can put these verses back into context for you if you like. But know if I do you will loose the biblical "foundation" for your argument.

Yes actually, that would be nice.

To directly answer your question about loosing Faith, Look at Luke 15 and the story about the prodigal Son. The moral of that story is that it is not the father that disowns the son, but the son who disowns the father. If the son decides to perish in the wilderness it is through no fault of the father.

That's not exactly what I was getting at.

 

[drich0150]

The sparsity? No, I didn't. In fact, it seems pretty coherent.

Then take a look at the numbers the follow the book of Psalms. The First denotes Chapter and the second denotes the verse. The first verse comes from the Books of Psalms Chapter 53 verse 1, and the second comes from the same book but chapter 5 verse 5. I would say simply by the distance between these two chapters, we have established a case for sparsity. Let alone addressing the context in which these specific Psalms were written. Not to mention the Book of Psalms is a book of Hebrew praise, song and worship, and not a source for primary Christian doctrine.

Yes actually, that would be nice.

One step at a time. please acknowledge what I have mention above first.

That's not exactly what I was getting at.

Then please explain.

 

[razeontherock]

You cannot possibly harmonize the assertion that God hates atheists with

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Which do you suppose is more central to Christianity? To the way G-d deals with people today?

 

[JGG]

There is no hate within God. The bible is always taken out of context. Anything that can be inturpreted differently by somone else is not part of reality. Does'nt that make sense? Reality is changeless and the same for all, thats how you determine whats real.

So what does it mean when the Bible says God hates those who do iniquity? How do you interpret that? What is the proper context?

 

[Hakan101]

From KJV:

Psalm 53:1 - The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God." Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

And what does God think of fools and those who do iniquity?

Psalm 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

from the Hebrew Interlinear Edition:
Psalm 53:1 - he says decadent one in heart of him there is no Elohim they are corrupt and they are abhorrent iniquity there is no one doing of good.

Psalm 5:5 - not they shall station themselves ones boasting to in front of eyes of you you hate all of ones contriving of lawlessness.

Why would I believe in a God who hates me for not believing in Him? What would happen if my faith faltered? Would God sort of hate me?

Jesus' parable of the Prodigal Son addresses these questions.

 

[razeontherock]

So what does it mean when the Bible says God hates those who do iniquity? How do you interpret that? What is the proper context?

That which is within us, believer and unbeliever alike. This is where "take up our cross daily" comes into play.

 

[JGG]

Psalm 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

I'm guessing this is the quote you're referring. But lets go ahead and reveal the whole paragraph..

O God, you take no pleasure in wickedness; you cannot tolerate the slightest sin. -Psalm 5:4

You will destroy those who tell lies. The LORD detests murderers and decievers. -Psalm 5:6

It says God does not tolerate the slightest sin which would mean all that sin are workers of iniquity, thats most people, not just athiests. Does God hate almost everyone?

I'm rather glad you asked, becuase they've answered that for us:

John 14:21 - "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Again, atheists do not qualify for God's love.

 

[drich0150]

I'm rather glad you asked, because they've answered that for us:

John 14:21 - "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Again, atheists do not qualify for God's love.

If a father loves a son, but the son does not love the father and leaves. it is the fault of the father that the son wants nothing to do with Him?

If a father allows the son to leave, does it mean the son is not loved?

You seem to only address the statements you can easily challenge. I pointed out the story of the prodigal son out to you once before and you did not respond to me. yet you chose to "respond" in turn by asking someone else a question I have already answered. Did you not read my response or did you hope i would not read yours?

 

[razeontherock]

I'm rather glad you asked, becuase they've answered that for us:

John 14:21 - "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Again, atheists do not qualify for God's love.

Rather, those that haven't had God manifest Himself to them, should question if they followed this much.

 

[LOCO]

From KJV:

Psalm 53:1 - The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God." Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

And what does God think of fools and those who do iniquity?

Psalm 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

from the Hebrew Interlinear Edition:
Psalm 53:1 - he says decadent one in heart of him there is no Elohim they are corrupt and they are abhorrent iniquity there is no one doing of good.

Psalm 5:5 - not they shall station themselves ones boasting to in front of eyes of you you hate all of ones contriving of lawlessness.

Why would I believe in a God who hates me for not believing in Him? What would happen if my faith faltered? Would God sort of hate me?

This is what happens when people interpret the Bible in a vacuum.

When people interpret Scripture without taking social, religious, historical, linguistic, political or cultural norms into consideration and add to the mix, 'out of total context' you can interpret it to mean whatever they want.

Don't worry, many Christians do this as well.

Blessings

 

[Matariki]

Last time I checked, God wasn't exactly happy with anyone, not even the Jews. Hence why his son was sent. The bible doesn't go around picking on Atheists, it addresses everyone, including those who claim to be Christian. You have to read scripture in context.

 

[JGG]

You're right, I just skipped over it. It wasn't inentional. I apologize.

Then take a look at the numbers the follow the book of Psalms. The First denotes Chapter and the second denotes the verse. The first verse comes from the Books of Psalms Chapter 53 verse 1, and the second comes from the same book but chapter 5 verse 5. I would say simply by the distance between these two chapters, we have established a case for sparsity.

Okay so the book says "God hates people who are x and y." It then goes on to say that "Atheists are people who are x and y." Sparsity doesn't seem like it would be an issue.

Let alone addressing the context in which these specific Psalms were written.

What is the context?

Not to mention the Book of Psalms is a book of Hebrew praise, song and worship, and not a source for primary Christian doctrine.

So, these passages are wrong? It seems like you're suggesting that we can basically throw this book away.

Then please explain.

Well, if that's not what these passages say, what do they say? That's kind of the meat of the question.

If a father loves a son, but the son does not love the father and leaves. it is the fault of the father that the son wants nothing to do with Him?

If a father allows the son to leave, does it mean the son is not loved?

That's sort of the question I'm asking. The passages I presented would suggest that it means the son is not loved (and in fact, hated). You're saying otherwise?

 

[JGG]

Last time I checked, God wasn't exactly happy with anyone, not even the Jews. Hence why his son was sent. The bible doesn't go around picking on Atheists, it addresses everyone, including those who claim to be Christian. You have to read scripture in context.

I agree that it's not just picking on atheists. I just picked that because I happen to be something of an atheist, and with the example I provided "atheist" comes through quite clearly. In fact, the website I swiped this from happens to state that God hates pretty much everyone who is not the proper type of Chrisitan. I found something similar on the Westboro Baptist Website as well.

What is "God [wasn't/isn't] exactly happy with anyone..." meant to imply?

 

[JGG]

This is what happens when people interpret the Bible in a vacuum.

When people interpret Scripture without taking social, religious, historical, linguistic, political or cultural norms into consideration and add to the mix, 'out of total context' you can interpret it to mean whatever they want.

Don't worry, many Christians do this as well.

Blessings

That's okay. What is the context? What is the message that is meant to be conveyed? Why does it come out like this instead?

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

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[LogosRhema]

I agree that it's not just picking on atheists. I just picked that because I happen to be something of an atheist, and with the example I provided "atheist" comes through quite clearly. In fact, the website I swiped this from happens to state that God hates pretty much everyone who is not the proper type of Chrisitan. I found something similar on the Westboro Baptist Website as well.

What is "God [wasn't/isn't] exactly happy with anyone..." meant to imply?

JGG,

The interpretation is false and God does not hate atheist. Does it qualify for foolishness, seems so, but a good father still loves his foolish son.

Genesis 2:21 MSG

I am not going to go back on that. Is it not clear to you that to go back to that old rule-keeping, peer-pleasing religion would be an abandonment of everything personal and free in my relationship with God? I refuse to do that, to repudiate God's grace. If a living relationship with God could come by rule-keeping, then Christ died unnecessarily.

God does not expect righteousness but by our faith He not only imparts it, but imparts His own perfection in us. New Testament is grace and faith focused, not a performance based understanding.

Most Baptist I've seen are way off and some of the most hate filled doctrines I've ever witnessed expelled from those who claim to follow Christ. It's the same erroneous way of thinking that makes a bomber strap a jacket on to kill people in the name of God because they don't agree with you. God has just as much grace for the atheist as He does for the Christian.

Read your Bible bro. Not a silly doctrine made by man.