God Doing Everything to Maximize Salvation?

[Tristan Johan]

I'm wanting to probe this question. Do you believe God does everything in his power to make sure that every person possible will be saved through Jesus? Is there a consistent consensus between the different sects of Christianity about this, or are there other lines of thought.

Going deeper, do you believe in the notion that the world as it is is the version of history that maximizes how many humans are saved (so that alternate realities, or alternative histories have been ruled out/collapse to a state of non-existence if they had less people saved than in our own reality or history)?

 

[someguy14]

I'm wanting to probe this question. Do you believe God does everything in his power to make sure that every person possible will be saved through Jesus? Is there a consistent consensus between the different sects of Christianity about this, or are there other lines of thought.

Going deeper, do you believe in the notion that the world as it is is the version of history that maximizes how many humans are saved (so that alternate realities, or alternative histories have been ruled out/collapse to a state of non-existence if they had less people saved than in our own reality or history)?

Proof of Gods superiority.

Matthew 25:45
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

 

[Tristan Johan]

Proof of Gods superiority.

Matthew 25:45
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

Okay, in regards to this quote, can you please clarify in your own words what you take this to mean, and how that applies to my OP?

Also, if you must include a quote from the Bible, can we steer clear of King James? Or King James that is more straightforward?

And to additional replies, I am looking for your own personal understanding of this concept, or your chosen sect's conception of it, in your own words. By all means, include reference to a Bible verse that leads you to this conclusion, I will look up the quotes you reference on my own.

 

[ForceofTime]

I'm wanting to probe this question. Do you believe God does everything in his power to make sure that every person possible will be saved through Jesus?

Hello, Tristan. There are many variables within your question, but for the sake of simplicity, I will say yes. The embodiment of that power was and is manifested in Jesus Christ.

Is there a consistent consensus between the different sects of Christianity about this, or are there other lines of thought.

I don't know.

Going deeper, do you believe in the notion that the world as it is is the version of history that maximizes how many humans are saved (so that alternate realities, or alternative histories have been ruled out/collapse to a state of non-existence if they had less people saved than in our own reality or history)?

I don't know. The only thing that comes to mind would be to compare the reality of men with the reality of fallen angels as pertaining to Salvation.

 

[madetoworship]

Yes. God sent His only Son Jesus Christ that whoever should believe in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

This is the message that will be brought to nations of people God reaches through His power in His own time. And once it is completed, Jesus will return.

God's sons and daughters will return home in God's timing by God's infinite power.

 

[98cwitr]

God knows before He creates us whether we are going to heaven or hell and decides to create each of us regardless. The questions are irrelevant and illogical.

 

[theophilus40]

I'm wanting to probe this question. Do you believe God does everything in his power to make sure that every person possible will be saved through Jesus?

There are many questions that can't be answered because God hasn't given us the answers in the Bible. God has given us the Bible to tell us the things we need to know, not what we want to know. It is likely that many of our questions aren't answered because we couldn't understand the answers if God did give them. In studying the Bible we should always keep this statement in mind.

The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
(Deuteronomy 29:29 ESV)
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The Bible tells us how to be saved and promises that anyone who comes to God through Jesus Christ will be saved. That is all he has revealed and it is all we need to know.

Is there a consistent consensus between the different sects of Christianity about this, or are there other lines of thought.

There are many different opinions of this subject. For example, Calvinists believe that before creation God chose unconditionally whom he would save and he causes those people to hear the gospel and believe it. Arminians believe that those who hear the gospel are free to choose whether they will believe it or reject it. It is possible that the reality is something different from either of these and each group has only part of the truth. Here is a blog entry in which I go into more detail about this subject:

http://www.christianforums.com/blogs/u318632-e80507/

Going deeper, do you believe in the notion that the world as it is is the version of history that maximizes how many humans are saved (so that alternate realities, or alternative histories have been ruled out/collapse to a state of non-existence if they had less people saved than in our own reality or history)?

The Bible doesn't say anything about whether or not alternate realities or alternate histories exist.

 

[BluhdoftheLamb]

I'm wanting to probe this question. Do you believe God does everything in his power to make sure that every person possible will be saved through Jesus? Is there a consistent consensus between the different sects of Christianity about this, or are there other lines of thought.

Going deeper, do you believe in the notion that the world as it is is the version of history that maximizes how many humans are saved (so that alternate realities, or alternative histories have been ruled out/collapse to a state of non-existence if they had less people saved than in our own reality or history)?

This is a very interesting side of things that I have given much thought. I find that certain elements in human history are "steered" directly by God, and that is what Prophecy is about. These things seem to be primarily pertaining to Salvation, exactly as you've asked. BUT - the overwhelming majority of people throughout time are not part of the Prophecy. It was all about Christ, and bringing Him into reality, in a Jewish setting.

I personally believe the rest of it, aside from God's Grace, is up to people. I would define free will as whatever we have the ability to do, and in that sense our free will matters.

Calvinism, or hyper-Calvinism with double predestination that says God specifically makes a bunch of people to be born solely so He can torture them forever in hell, is very very different from this. I am opposed to that sort of Gospel being preached, if you couldn't tell. And it never was before Calvin came along. (I don't think Calvin ever taught any such thing, either)

Sorry I couldn't give you a simple yes/no answer, but did this make any sense to you?

 

[bling]

I'm wanting to probe this question. Do you believe God does everything in his power to make sure that every person possible will be saved through Jesus? Is there a consistent consensus between the different sects of Christianity about this, or are there other lines of thought.

God is doing everything possible to help those that are just will to accept God’s help, but God is not going to force someone against their will to take His help.

There are lots of people that never mature to the point they can accept or reject God’s help, these individuals are really not addressed in scripture, but from what we know about God they would go to heaven yet they would unfortunately not have had the opportunity to fulfill their earthly objective.

Going deeper, do you believe in the notion that the world as it is is the version of history that maximizes how many humans are saved (so that alternate realities, or alternative histories have been ruled out/collapse to a state of non-existence if they had less people saved than in our own reality or history)?

It is truly unfortunate but the messed up world is actually the best place it could be to help willing individuals fulfill their earthly objective.