god contradicts himself

[andy50]

why does god controdict himself this proves the bible makes no sense
Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?

 

[AMR]

why does god controdict himself this proves the bible makes no sense
Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?

But, then there's:

BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS ANSWERED -- Biblical Errors Mistakes Difficulties Discrepancies Countered

Bible Contradictions, A Christian Response.

I'm just sayin'!

There are no genuine contradictions in the Scriptures. Just us poor created creatures suffering from the noetic effects of sin who struggle to understand God's special revelation.

AMR

 

[Sketcher]

I'm not going to soil myself by clicking a link to that site. But God does not contradict himself. Where some people choose to see contradictions, we see end points that show different sides of the same God.

 

[ebia]

why does god controdict himself this proves the bible makes no sense
Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?

If you want to discuss a contradiction in scripture, real or imagined, post it and we can talk about it. Posting a link to a website full of stuff doesn't look overly like a genuine question.

 

[Supreme]

The Bible is an imperfect book written by several authors over a long period of time. It is bound to have contradictions.

 

[unkern]

The Lord never contradicts himself the problem is that, We misread what is really trying to be said. Ill give one example on the first one in Genesis: On the fourth day he may have created the sun, but the light that is talked about is not the sun its the Messiah.

 

[Van]

Hi Andy50, yes the Bible contains difficult passages. And if one wanted to "manufacture" contradictions, a person could adopt a view which then contradicts another passage. This game is played over and over. Someone says this or that is a contradiction. Others respond and say, no, this was hyperbole or whatever but the actual principle being conveyed is such and such, so there is no contradiction. And around and around we go.

So the question is not "Why does God contradict Himself" but rather "why do atheists manufacture contradictions?" Do you think in the struggle between God and Satan, would the "father of lies" present misinformation?

 

[freeport]

why does god controdict himself this proves the bible makes no sense
Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?

No, He actually does not.

These things come about like this: a man who does evil and embraces it goes to a good man's house, seeking to find faults to accuse him with. He sees and gathers "evidence", but it is all a lie and then goes away and tells it to others, speaking evilly behind his back.

One sees this with the Pharisees and Jesus frequently. Jesus was not judgmental with the Pharisees nor sinners. He was blunt when they attacked Him, and He told them how it was. But, then would constantly be seeking some accusation to use against Him. As they could find none, their hatred grew until they finally abused their earthly power to kill Him.

Likewise, while the ones of darkness do not know this: their hearts are full of slander and evil thoughts of good people night and day. They are full of envy and hatred. They hold grudges and build them up, yet they are frustrated for their vengeance never comes to pass. And if it does, it is but a mirage, a trap.

That is not a good place to be: it is sitting in hate and envy.

As for God, there are no contradictions in the Bible which are not easily answered. People make alphabet soup out of those words, claiming they mean one thing which is completely wrong to prove their point. We explain to them patiently the truth, but the truth does not matter to them.

 

[wlajoie74]

The Lord never contradicts himself the problem is that, We misread what is really trying to be said. Ill give one example on the first one in Genesis: On the fourth day he may have created the sun, but the light that is talked about is not the sun its the Messiah.

what where did you pull this one out of

 

[98cwitr]

what where did you pull this one out of

John 8:12

12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

 

[wlajoie74]

John 8:12

Jesus was speaking in metaphor.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

if you take what is said here in genesis as the light that God created as Jesus, it would mean that Jesus was created. which is inconsistant with the teaching of the trinity, and in direct contradiction with the nicene creed. it would also mean that he was seperated or divided from the dark which would mean he was once in the dark. the explanation that Jesus was the light in Genesis opens up a whole can of worms.

 

[unkern]

what where did you pull this one out of

The Hebrew words for light and dark are not those of light like a candle or dark as in blacked out, but those pertaining to Messiah and satan

 

[wlajoie74]

The Hebrew words for light and dark are not those of light like a candle or dark as in blacked out, but those pertaining to Messiah and satan

are you referring to this scripture Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!

 

[DeaconDean]

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DeaconDean,
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Till all are one.​

 

[traditionalist]

I thought I would also add, that most of the "inconsistancies" that are talked about in the link you provided deals only with specific words, not with the context or meaning behind the specific verse.

You cant open any book in the middle, read a few random sentances and then profess to have a knowledge of what the book says or doesnt say, what contradicts or what supports other sentences. The author of the site seems to have read some words but not taken the meaning form them.

for example:
Proverbs 26:4-5(NIV)

4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you will be like him yourself

5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.

This is usually offered by skeptics as a clear contradition.

First of I would point out that the fact that they are one after another would suggest that they are there to be transparent - if the authors of the Bible were trying to mislead people then I would think that they would hide it a bit better -

Second is that this list of Proverbs is under the title of More Proverbs of Solomon. THey are not a chonological story, rather a list of wise sayings. After reading the whole verses, putting them in context, applying some actual thought to the matter, I would say that the clash was intended, to show that sometimes there is no one right way to deal with all situations, that one has to adapt one's approach depending on what type of fool one is dealing with. Some fools should be answered, others should be ignored.

I would say that most people could relate to this.

 

[wlajoie74]

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Christians believe that an expressed belief in the trinity began about AD 29-33 with Jesus' commission to the disciples:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" -Mt. 28:19 (KJV)

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DeaconDean,
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Deacon,

well, that doesn't leave much room for exploring. what good is an exploring christianity forum if you can't see all sides of the discussion I thought this was the ministry section, since when do christians only minister to people who keep their own views to themselves. What are you CF guys so afraid of. I don't get it I thought I saw you tell an agnostic on CB, who doesn't even believe in any God let alone a trinity, to come to this forum to discuss his views. Wouldn't that be against the rules considering saying that there is no god would be a ''posting contrary to an expressed faith in the trinity.''

 

[DeaconDean]

Deacon,

well, that doesn't leave much room for exploring. what good is an exploring christianity forum if you can't see all sides of the discussion I thought this was the ministry section, since when do christians only minister to people who keep their own views to themselves. What are you CF guys so afraid of. I don't get it I thought I saw you tell an agnostic on CB, who doesn't even believe in any God let alone a trinity, to come to this forum to discuss his views. Wouldn't that be against the rules considering saying that there is no god would be a ''posting contrary to an expressed faith in the trinity.''

Let me just say this, any dislogue between Christians and Non-Christians can be a good thing, however, comments against the "trinity" are Verboten!

Derogatory remarks about the trinity are verboten!

This is a Christian forum, and one of the cornerstones of Christianity is a belief in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

It is one of the few doctrines that crosses all denominational lines. I might have problems with Catholic dogma's, but the common ground we hold together is a belief in the "trinity".

Right after the "Prea,ble" we have this in the "rules:"

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You will not insult or mock God or Christianity. Honest debate about the nature of God and Christianity is welcome, but insults or derogatory remarks about God or Christianity will be promptly removed.

The names or titles of God, including Jesus Christ and the Persons of the Trinity (Father, Son, or Holy Spirit), in any language, are not to be used as expletives or interjections or in an abusive, mocking, or insulting way.

Link to this rule.

You may not like this rule, you may not agree with the doctrine of the "trinity", but when you joined this forum you agreed to abide by our rules.

But there is absolutely no tolerance for: "derogatory remarks about God or Christianity".

ANd, the rules for the Exploring Christianity section state the only one Non-Christian may respond in a thread.

If there are others, they may start another thread and ask questions there, however, derogatory reamrks about the "trinity" still wiil not be tolerated.

Remarks of the type: "There is no such thing as a "trinity"; or "The "trinity" is a man-made doctrine used to control the masses"; are considered derogatory and will not be tolerated and will be removed upon sight as per protocol.

Honest questions about the nature of God, and Christianity are one thing, derogatory remarks about the cornerstone of Christian faith is another.

I have said my peace.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[wlajoie74]

Let me just say this, any dislogue between Christians and Non-Christians can be a good thing, however, comments against the "trinity" are Verboten!

Derogatory remarks about the trinity are verboten!

This is a Christian forum, and one of the cornerstones of Christianity is a belief in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

It is one of the few doctrines that crosses all denominational lines. I might have problems with Catholic dogma's, but the common ground we hold together is a belief in the "trinity".

Right after the "Prea,ble" we have this in the "rules:"



Link to this rule.

You may not like this rule, you may not agree with the doctrine of the "trinity", but when you joined this forum you agreed to abide by our rules.

But there is absolutely no tolerance for: "derogatory remarks about God or Christianity".

ANd, the rules for the Exploring Christianity section state the only one Non-Christian may respond in a thread.

If there are others, they may start another thread and ask questions there, however, derogatory reamrks about the "trinity" still wiil not be tolerated.

Remarks of the type: "There is no such thing as a "trinity"; or "The "trinity" is a man-made doctrine used to control the masses"; are considered derogatory and will not be tolerated and will be removed upon sight as per protocol.

Honest questions about the nature of God, and Christianity are one thing, derogatory remarks about the cornerstone of Christian faith is another.

I have said my peace.

God Bless

Till all are one.

got ya. thanks for clarifying. so, people can disagree with your view of christianity here, as in me saying there is evidence for both sides and i'm not sure, but umkern saying that the trinity is a bunch of bullhonkey is unacceptable.

 

[DeaconDean]

got ya. thanks for clarifying. so, people can disagree with your view of christianity here, as in me saying there is evidence for both sides and i'm not sure, but umkern saying that the trinity is a bunch of bullhonkey is unacceptable.

That is correct.

I wouldn't stifle discussion whereby understanding is sought. However, we do ask that be polite. You may not share my view of the trinity, however, I would expect you to respect my view as I try to respect yours.


God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[sk8Joyful]

why does god controdict himself this proves the bible makes no sense
Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?

Hi Andy,
Since posting this statement, a couple of days ago as your 1st. ever post here, you have not yet responded to any of the foregoing 20 replies, so - it leaves one to wonder, what was your Intent with that?

You see, you posted that, in this section: Christian Forums > Ministry > Outreach > Exploring Christianity
Maybe you forgot to include your earnest questions... we can address

You see, GOD as Jesus Christ never contradicts Himself, and the Bible makes sense ---
except
to people wanting to re-engineer His ways...

Here's wishing you well... on your Christian-explorations.