God confess for past

[Pepbug]

Hi there

I hope people can shed some light and share their views with me on this. I suffer ocd so need simple answers!

Basically.. I remember doing something a long time ago when I was a child. I remember the action (vaguely.. although my adult mind now could've twisted it and made something into nothing), however I don't remember the intentions and what i was really thinking at the time and so on, and even if my memories are at all accurate..as it was so long ago now.

However it's still somethig I feel bad about and wish to confess.

How do I best confess this? Can I simply ask God for forgiveness if it were a sin? Or by saying "if" will he not believe I'm repenting and accepting my wrongs? My ocd is playing up and it could well be i didnt do anything bad, but I'd rather confess to be sure. I want to make it clear to him I don't remeber much it's such a dizzy memory but just incase. . I would LIKE to confess and talk to God to better our reltionship. Will he understand why I've said forgive me "if".. or will he expect me to have known? I'm so confused. Can you still be forgiven if you say..forgive me if this was a sin... sometimes I really believe you can't remember. I'm just a bit scared as I have a small memory of something. I really don't know..it could be nothing. Will he still l forgive? Do the words if really matter? Will he understand. What should I say?

 

[miknik5]

shouldn't this thread be moved to the discuss and debate forum for Christianity?

I believe that is why you're not going to get an answer here

 

[Freodin]

Hi there

I hope people can shed some light and share their views with me on this. I suffer ocd so need simple answers!

Basically.. I remember doing something a long time ago when I was a child. I remember the action (vaguely.. although my adult mind now could've twisted it and made something into nothing), however I don't remember the intentions and what i was really thinking at the time and so on, and even if my memories are at all accurate..as it was so long ago now.

However it's still somethig I feel bad about and wish to confess.

How do I best confess this? Can I simply ask God for forgiveness if it were a sin? Or by saying "if" will he not believe I'm repenting and accepting my wrongs? My ocd is playing up and it could well be i didnt do anything bad, but I'd rather confess to be sure. I want to make it clear to him I don't remeber much it's such a dizzy memory but just incase. . I would LIKE to confess and talk to God to better our reltionship. Will he understand why I've said forgive me "if".. or will he expect me to have known? I'm so confused. Can you still be forgiven if you say..forgive me if this was a sin... sometimes I really believe you can't remember. I'm just a bit scared as I have a small memory of something. I really don't know..it could be nothing. Will he still l forgive? Do the words if really matter? Will he understand. What should I say?

Consider what Jesus said during his execution: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

There are also the concepts that you are saved by believing in Jesus and by God's grace.

There is only a very small minority of Christians who believe that they are "perfected" in their current state and simply don't do anything they have to repend any more. Most Christians believe that they are still imperfect, fallible, sinning.

Now if salvation indeed rested on you unfalllingly identifying and repenting everything you ever did wrong... Christians would be really screwed.

 

[miknik5]

Consider what Jesus said during his execution: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

There are also the concepts that you are saved by believing in Jesus and by God's grace.

There is only a very small minority of Christians who believe that they are "perfected" in their current state and simply don't do anything they have to repend any more. Most Christians believe that they are still imperfect, fallible, sinning.

Now if salvation indeed rested on you unfalllingly identifying and repenting everything you ever did wrong... Christians would be really screwed.

Do you believe that ONE died...therefore all were dead?
So, what about those who do not believe in HIM?

Do you believe everything HE said with regards to HIMSELF?

 

[Freodin]

Do you believe that ONE died...therefore all were dead?

Huh?
You have to excuse me, I am not really fluent in Christianese.
Who was dead? Who died to be the cause of those other being dead?

So, what about those who do not believe in HIM?

As we can assume that the people who crucified Jesus did not believe in him, and he still asked for them to be forgiven, I think we can say that God can forgive all kinds of people, believing or not, repenting or not.

Do you believe everything HE said with regards to HIMSELF?

I am an atheist. I don't believe a lot of what HE alledgedly said.

But, hey, look, we are still in the philosophy forum. We can try to think and reason about ideas.

Just for a moment consider this idea: people - humans, even Christians! - can be wrong. They can make mistakes. That can do false things, even evil things, while completely convinced that they are doing right and good.

So what more than pleading on mercy could they do? If you get damned for every single little infraction you might have ever done that goes unrepented... you are all doomed.

 

[miknik5]

Huh?
You have to excuse me, I am not really fluent in Christianese.
Who was dead? Who died to be the cause of those other being dead?


As we can assume that the people who crucified Jesus did not believe in him, and he still asked for them to be forgiven, I think we can say that God can forgive all kinds of people, believing or not, repenting or not.


I am an atheist. I don't believe a lot of what HE alledgedly said.

But, hey, look, we are still in the philosophy forum. We can try to think and reason about ideas.

Just for a moment consider this idea: people - humans, even Christians! - can be wrong. They can make mistakes. That can do false things, even evil things, while completely convinced that they are doing right and good.

So what more than pleading on mercy could they do? If you get damned for every single little infraction you might have ever done that goes unrepented... you are all doomed.

Sir, were you the one who said CHRIST when HE was executed (who executed HIM) said, Father forgive them, they know not what they do?

And now you claim you don't?

 

[miknik5]

HE sent HIS VISIBLE MERCY and GRACE...in the form of HIS SON.

All mouths will be silenced that day...there won't be anything that a man will need to remind GOD of...whether good or bad...

 

[Freodin]

Sir, were you the one who said CHRIST when HE was executed (who executed HIM) said, Father forgive them, they know not what they do?

According to the Bible, Gospel of Luke 23:34.

And now you claim you don't?

***checking my post again***

***checking twice to make sure***

No, I didn't make this claim anywhere in my post. Shouldn't you be especially careful about such suggestions?

HE sent HIS VISIBLE MERCY and GRACE...in the form of HIS SON.

All mouths will be silenced that day...there won't be anything that a man will need to remind GOD of...whether good or bad...

So, will God forgive the executioners, as Jesus asked him to do, or not?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Hi there

I hope people can shed some light and share their views with me on this. I suffer ocd so need simple answers!

Basically.. I remember doing something a long time ago when I was a child. I remember the action (vaguely.. although my adult mind now could've twisted it and made something into nothing), however I don't remember the intentions and what i was really thinking at the time and so on, and even if my memories are at all accurate..as it was so long ago now.

However it's still somethig I feel bad about and wish to confess.

How do I best confess this? Can I simply ask God for forgiveness if it were a sin? Or by saying "if" will he not believe I'm repenting and accepting my wrongs? My ocd is playing up and it could well be i didnt do anything bad, but I'd rather confess to be sure. I want to make it clear to him I don't remeber much it's such a dizzy memory but just incase. . I would LIKE to confess and talk to God to better our reltionship. Will he understand why I've said forgive me "if".. or will he expect me to have known? I'm so confused. Can you still be forgiven if you say..forgive me if this was a sin... sometimes I really believe you can't remember. I'm just a bit scared as I have a small memory of something. I really don't know..it could be nothing. Will he still l forgive? Do the words if really matter? Will he understand. What should I say?

That you feel bad indicates contrition and that's good. You can 'formalize' it through prayer and accept on faith that God has forgiven you. It seems that forgiving yourself might be a bigger hurdle (this is common). God is eager to forgive sin, upon true repentance.

 

[miknik5]

Consider what Jesus said during his execution: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

There are also the concepts that you are saved by believing in Jesus and by God's grace.

There is only a very small minority of Christians who believe that they are "perfected" in their current state and simply don't do anything they have to repend any more. Most Christians believe that they are still imperfect, fallible, sinning.

Now if salvation indeed rested on you unfalllingly identifying and repenting everything you ever did wrong... Christians would be really screwed.

Did you post this above?

Consider what Jesus said during his execution: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

ONE died...sir...
And ONE died because all were dead.

Jesus knew HE was going to be crucified...and HE knew that this is the way scripture had to be fulfilled concerning HIM...

 

[Freodin]

Did you post this above?

Consider what Jesus said during his execution: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

As I said before, I am not that good at Christianese. Even English is a secondary language for me, and deciphering subgroup slang is rather difficult.

So, yes, I posted that. It is quite obvious that I did post it... so what?

ONE died...sir...
And ONE died because all were dead.

First of all... I have not the slightest idea what you think this has to do with Jesus alledged words on the cross.

Second... this doesn't make sense, if you are not going to introduce a hair-splitting abuse of language here.

One died? And all the rest were part of the Zombi Apocalypse? Nah, you do mean a "spiritual death" for all the others, right?
So, did Jesus spiritually die?`

But physically - in the flesh - all the others were quite alive. So, if you can be dead spiritually, but alive physically... why did Jesus have to die physically?

Jesus knew HE was going to be crucified...and HE knew that this is the way scripture had to be fulfilled concerning HIM...

If you follow standard Christian theology, Jesus (being God) set up "scripture" in that way.
But regardless... what does that have to do with Jesus asking - well, himself - to forgive those who killed him... which he himself set up?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If you follow standard Christian theology, Jesus (being God) set up "scripture" in that way.
But regardless... what does that have to do with Jesus asking - well, himself - to forgive those who killed him... which he himself set up?

Jesus hadn't received kingship over the earth yet. His father was still in charge. He asked that his Father (yup, a separate being) not immediately destroy those who crucified him (Dey vast chust following ordersss).

 

[Freodin]

Jesus hadn't received kingship over the earth yet. His father was still in charge. He asked that his Father (yup, a separate being) not immediately destroy those who crucified him (Dey vast chust following ordersss).

You mean... dey vas chust following scripture?

But I have to admit... I am always amazed by the ability of Christians to make "scripture" say whatever they want.

[edited to add]
Still, with all this temporal, limited, conditional divine forgiveness that Christians (at least here) seem to propagate: how do you think God would deal with sincere mistakes that you didn't repent?

 

[Freodin]

dp, sorry

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You mean... dey vas chust following scripture?

But I have to admit... I am always amazed by the ability of Christians to make "scripture" say whatever they want.

Actually they were fulfilling prophecy, but didn't know it.

The bible is pretty brief. We get to fill in the details. Scholars do this all the time, and not just in the study of the bible. Just look at what paleontologists can construct with just a small piece of bone.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You mean... dey vas chust following scripture?

But I have to admit... I am always amazed by the ability of Christians to make "scripture" say whatever they want.

[edited to add]
Still, with all this temporal, limited, conditional divine forgiveness that Christians (at least here) seem to propagate: how do you think God would deal with sincere mistakes that you didn't repent?

Not quite sure I can get my head around "sincere mistakes that you didn't repent."

 

[Freodin]

Not quite sure I can get my head around "sincere mistakes that you didn't repent."

Doing something or having done something that you think is tots ok, but in fact isn't.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Doing something or having done something that you think is tots ok, but in fact isn't.

Is the person in question aware of the unrepented sin? I've done some bad things in the past but that was ancient history. I have long since abandoned many of my youthful behaviors (repented). In my case I depend on God to forgive and forget those youthful indiscretions.

 

[Freodin]

Is the person in question aware of the unrepented sin? I've done some bad things in the past but that was ancient history. I have long since abandoned many of my youthful behaviors (repented). In my case I depend on God to forgive and forget those youthful indiscretions.

No, he is not aware. That is the whole point.
If you are aware, thought that it was "some bad things", and (repented)... then you would have repented.

But what about something that you think is completely ok, wonderfull, the right thing to do... only it isn't?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, he is not aware. That is the whole point.
If you are aware, thought that it was "some bad things", and (repented)... then you would have repented.

But what about something that you think is completely ok, wonderfull, the right thing to do... only it isn't?

That's something that God will have to sort out. There were and are those who will put Christians to death thinking they are doing God a favor.