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God as... Creator

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We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen. (Nicene Creed)

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth. (Apostle's Creed)

We believe in one eternally existent, infinite God,
Sovereign Creator and Sustainer of the universe (1st Article of Faith of the CotN)


The historic Creeds as well as more recent Statements of Faith uphold the belief in a creator God; this isn't all there is to the nature of God, but it is an important part of His nature. This thread is to look at the creative aspect of God's nature.

The Holy Scriptures begin by recognising this aspect of God and it is the first thing we learn of God's nature. "In the beginning God created..." The God we have isn't one which follows a rigid set of instructions but one which freely uses His thoughts. Creation implies that care and thought went into all that is; God didn't assemble "all that is, seen and unseen", but created with purpose and meaning.

As the fact that God created shows how he is sovereign, not limited in what he creates (Acts 4:24), nor can we limit God. Having created the world, He cannot reside in anything we create (yes we can have things as a focus towards God, but He doesn't reside there) as by being creator He is greater than that; "The God who made the world and everything in it, he who is Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by human hands." (Acts 17:24)

God and our universe is not a subset of something even larger, as all things were created by Him through Christ. God, having created all things, is above all things, none is above Him (Col. 1:15-17).

I'm gonna end this post here before I derail my own thread in one post and drift off topic into other aspects of God's nature ;)
 
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When I think of God as creator, I think of how we all are made in him image. We are not a mistake, unloved, or just random cells. But we are made in his image with a capacity to commune with him and know him in a way unlike the angels. God is intimately involved with us. Because we are created to commune with him, salvation is more than just making sure we go to heaven when we die and or that our sins are gone. Rather it means that God craves a relationship with each one of us right now, just that sin stands in the way. When we give them to God, it means that relationship can be restored and fellowship established. God can restore us to his image enabling us to become more and more beatiful, pure reflections of his love.
 
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How do you reconcile the differences between imago dei and total depravity of man.

Imago dei meaning we were created in the image of God. The doctrine of total depravity basically says than man is evil and full of no good. In the words of Wesley:
Is man by nature filled with all manner of evil? Is he void of all good? is he wholly fallen? is his soul totally corrupt? Or, to come back to the text, is 'every imagination of the thoughts of his heart evil continually'? Allow this, and you are so far a Christian. Deny it, and you are but a heathen still.
 
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Created in his image, but like God also free to choose, even to choose badly. And that we (as a race) have indeed chosen badly and thus suffer from the consequences of that choice is a part of our collective history.

(Though we are going to have to be careful not to derail this thread into a discussion of the nature of man, rather than a discussion of God as creator.)
 
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My question has to do with why the Nicene (and Apostles') Creed declare the "Father Almighty" to be THE Creator of heaven and earth, when both John 1 and Colossians 1 declare it to be the pre-incarnate 2nd person of the Trinity (i.e. the Word in John 1:3 and the Son in Colossians 1:17)? Even Old Testament passages describe the Creator as also the Redeemer and Lord, but only once say "Father," and that in Deuteronomy 32, a passage in which God is also set forth to be "their Rock", their Savior, their sustainer, their forgiver, and the one who "bought" them.
 
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There’s a Hindu legend about a time when all humans were gods, but
they abused that divinity. They so abused it that Brahma the chief god
decided to take it away from them and hide it where they would never
find it again. Where to hide it became the big question. And the lesser
gods were called into council to consider this question: ‘We will bury
humans’ divinity deep in the earth, but Brahma the supreme god said ‘No
that will not do: they will dig down deep into the earth and will find
it.’ Then they said ‘Well we will sink their divinity into the deepest
ocean.’ But again Brahma replied ‘No, not there, for they will learn to
dive into the deepest waters, and search the ocean bed and find it.’
Then the lesser gods said, ‘We will take it to the top of the highest
mountain and hide it there.’ But again Brahma replied, ‘No, for
eventually humans will climb every high mountain on earth: they’ll be
sure some day to find it and take it up again…’ Then the lesser gods
gave up and concluded ‘We do not know where to hide it, for it seems
there is no place on the earth or in the sea that humans will not
eventually reach.’ Then Brahma said, ‘Here is what we will do with
humans’ divinity: we will hide it deep down in humans themselves: they
will never think to look for it there.’ Ever since then, the legend
concludes, humans have been going to and fro throughout the earth,
climbing, digging, diving, exploring, searching for something already
within themselves. The divinity in humans has still been the best-kept
secret of the ages.

In the Christian New Testament (1 Peter 3:16) there’s an interesting
suggestion: when enemies challenge Christians’ ‘hope’ we are to respond
with ‘gentleness and reverence’. So far as I know, this is the only
place in the Bible where the idea of reverence, the special word that
describes a creature’s relationship to the Creator-God, is also used of
our attitude to other humans. We are to treat them as we would treat
God: with very great respect. The reason? Simple: humans are like God,
made in the image of God (the ‘imago dei’).

There are three ‘imago dei’ texts in the Old Testament: Genesis 1:
26-27 describes humans being made in the ‘image and likeness’ of God: in
Genesis 5:1 the word ‘likeness’ is used, and in Genesis 9:6 ‘image’.
There are also two texts in the Apocrypha (Wisdom of Solomon 2:3,
Ecclesiasticus 18:3). The ‘imago dei’ defines whatever it is that makes
humans, rather than other created beings, like God. ‘The Hebrew word for
image refers to some kind of physical representation. It usually
designates a molten image, painted picture, or some other form of
material expression. The word for likeness denotes some less tangible
representation. By juxtaposing these two words, the author has softened
the material character of image with the less concrete nuance of
likeness. This would suggest that the image/likeness of God should not
be understood either as a purely spiritual entity (the soul) or as
something simply material (physical resemblance). It transcends the
physical/spiritual alternative without denying either. Hebrew thought
seldom separated the physical and the spiritual, but usually considered
the human being in entirety. It was the whole human being that was
created in the image and according to the likeness of God, and the whole
race, both male and female, was so created.’ (Collegeville Pastoral
Dictionary of Bible Theology, Minnesota: Liturgical Press, 1996, p.459).

Humankind, in other words, are clearly set apart from the rest of
creation. Although scholars have debated what this unique endowment
might be, our purpose here is to ask some questions about the
implications of all this for our relationships with one another…
There are five New Testament imago dei emphases: Humans are made in
the image of God (James 3:9); that image is marred through our sinning
(Hebrews 2); Jesus Christ lived the image of God in a human life; and
shares that life with humans; redeemed humanity will be remade in God’s
image in a corporate as well as an individual sense (cf. 2 Corinthians
3:18 with its stress on ‘all’, pantes). Paul viewed Christ as having the
‘nature’ of God (Philippians 2:6). Christ is the image/likeness of God
(2 Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:15ff., cf. Hebrews 1:1-3). As we become
‘new’ in Christ we become ‘conformed’ to that image: that is to be our
life’s goal (Colossians 3:10; cf. Romans 8:29, 1 Corinthians 15:49, 2
Corinthians 3:18). So we live not for happiness or self-realization but
holiness, likeness to Christ. You can’t say Paul believed that humans
have a ‘Divine spark’ within them that simply needs only to be fanned
into a flame: his view of sin is more radical than that. In Romans 1:23
Paul charges the pagan Gentiles with having exchanged God’s glory for
creaturely images. (There’s an interesting note in 1 Corinthians 11:7,11
where Paul argues that man is the image and reflection of God and woman
is the reflection – ‘glory’ not ‘image’ – of man. This novel
‘gender-distinctive’ twist to the ancient ‘imago dei’ concept has to be
understood in the context of particular problems within the Corinthian
community.)

‘While the Bible does not contain a well-developed doctrine of the
imago dei, [it] is the basic presupposition of the scriptural teaching
concerning the nature of human existence, including the moral and
spiritual dimensions of response to the Word of God.’ (Dictionary of
Pastoral Care and Counseling, Abingdon, 1990, p.571).

As usual, where the Bible is unclear, we have tried to help God by
making it clearer. Irenaeus and Tertullian drew a distinction between
‘image’ and ‘likeness’, whereas Augustine united the two concepts. John
Calvin and the key Protestant Reformers also regarded the two terms as a
form of Hebrew parallelism and therefore roughly synonymous. Calvin
taught that the ‘image of God’ in us was defaced, but not totally
eradicated by the Fall, although ‘original righteousness’ was lost. As
Matthew Fox and others in the ‘Creation Spirituality’ theological school
have pointed out, the dominant image of humans in the medieval period
was that they are sinners. The Renaissance countered by positing a high
view of the value of humans from a humanistic perspective. Marsilio
Ficino, for example: ‘Know thyself, O divine lineage in mortal guise!’
Another, Pica della Mirandola, wrote something called ‘Oration on the
Dignity of Man’ – ‘something that was unthinkable in the Middle Ages’
writes Jostein Gaarder in Sophie’s World (Phoenix, 1996, 166). Modern
Christian Liberals use the term ‘Image of God’ to refer to humans’
universal capacity for God; Evangelicals would follow Calvin in
affirming that the image, though defaced, is not obliterated. Following
(the later) Barth, Brunner, and Berkouwer, most modern theologians
interpret the imago dei in a relational sense: the openness of humans to
each other, in loving communication and mutual trust (including, says
Barth, our sexuality).

Let the theologians argue: what we can say with certainty is that
the Christian emphasis on the infinite value of each person rests on the
belief that each of us is like God, made in the image of God. For
Christian ethics, this idea is incredibly important in our debates about
such issues as capital punishment, abortion, euthanasia, genetic
engineering, and so on. It also has obvious relevance to issues of
personality violation such as torture, brainwashing, rape, abuse of all
kinds, racism, sexism, ageism, and unjust discrimination against any
persons on any grounds. It is why, as I heard recently, a hospital staff
in the U.S. mobilized their best personnel (and most expensive
equipment) to try to save their town’s drunken bully who’d been knifed
in the stomach, even though the situation looked almost absolutely
hopeless…

In terms of our relating to others, let us put it quite simply, as
many of the Christian saints have done: as Jesus is the very image of
the Divine, and as all are made in that image, we are to treat others as
if they were Jesus. Or, to reverse the idea, as Martin Luther put it, we
are to be ‘Christs’ to others. We ‘prove’ we are God’s children by
loving those whom God loves, says the apostle John. Others are worth
loving not because of who they are in themselves (we could be humanists
and love for that reason) but because of who we are for God: that is,
not for a natural but for a supernatural reason. I reach towards God,
then with the love I am given I love others. Tony Campolo (Seven Deadly
Sins, p. 78) writes in this regard: ‘If I can serve others as if I were
serving Jesus, I am delivered from any feelings of nobility in what I
do. It is one thing to lift some drunk out of the gutter, take him home,
shower him and put him into my bed. In such a case I might view myself
as a wonderful person who did something worthy of praise. On the other
hand, if when I look into the eyes of that drunk, I think of ministering
to Jesus himself, I am only left inquiring of myself, ‘Am I worthy? To
recognize the image of our God in even the most socially despised of
creatures is to become a humble servant of these people.’
Here’s where we combine Bible and hagiography, evangelical and
catholic insights. The Bible gives us the principle; the saints
incarnate the principle in their lives. Gregory of Nyssa (c. 335 – 395)
for example, believe the purpose of our existence is to see restored the
image of God in us (Gregory of Nyssa, The Life of Moses, A.J. Malherbe
and E. Ferguson trans., Paulist Press, 1978, pp. 94-6). We aim to
fulfill in our lives what Adam and Eve might have enjoyed: intimate
companionship with God. We choose (freely) to submit to grace, so that
the image of God might be restored in us. ‘In Gregory we have an image
and perception of God that is full of energy. Gregory has taken
seriously and with absolute faith the revelation of Scripture: We are
made in the image and likeness of Life itself, our whole being cries out
for the full restoration of that reality, God has heard that cry for
freedom and meets it with the utmost prodigality. God is the eternal and
personal Mystery in whom we find the Energies of existence and the more
we become caught up in those Energies, the more we become “inebriated”
with Life.’ (Michael Whelan, Living Strings: an Introduction to Biblical
Spirituality, Sydney: E.J.Dwyer, 1994, p.89).

How does this work? Consider the following:

# Dostoevsky remembers an ignorant, despised peasant he knew as a
child. Twenty years later he wrote: ‘I saw the tender, motherly smile of
the poor peasant, our serf. I remembered him crossing himself and
nodding: “You really are frightened, little one!” And especially the
big, earth-stained finger with which he had grazed my lips softly,
almost shyly. And suddenly I jumped from my straw-bed and, glancing
around, I felt that I could see these poor wretches in a quite different
light, and by a sudden magic, all hatred and anger vanished from my
heart.’ (Cited by Gilbert Sigaux, A Portrait of Dostoevsky,’ forward to
Crime and Punishment, J.M.Dent & Sons (date unknown), pp. X-xi). This is
a sort of leitmotif in Dostoevsky: even in evil people he found a spark
of humanity and a glimpse of the divine. ‘Out of this observation sprang
his belief that the people in their besmirched lowliness hid a promise
of mercy and a dream of Christ’ (Geir Kjetsaa, Dostoievsky: A Writer’s
Life, Macmillan, 1989, p.107).

# Newsweek (May14-20, 1997) noted: ‘After 15 years of calculations,
an international scientific task force estimates the value of planet
earth – in terms of human use of its land and water – at
$40,000,000,000,000 (40 trillion dollars). [Now think about the value of
a human life - say in utero...]

# A venerable old sage once asked his disciples, “How can we know
when the darkness is leaving and the dawn is coming?” ‘When we can see a
tree in the distance and know that it is an elm and not a juniper,”
ventured one student. “When we can see an animal and know that it is a
fox and not a wolf,” chimed in another. “No,” said the old man, “those
things will not help us.” Puzzled, the students demanded, “How then can
we know?” The master teacher drew himself up to his full stature and
replied quietly, “We know the darkness is leaving and the dawn is coming
when we can see another person and know that this is our brother or our
sister; for otherwise, no matter what time it is, it is still dark.” (Richard Foster, Prayer, Hodder & Stoughton, 1992, 266)



(from a blog by Rowland Croucher, January 5, 2003, John Mark Ministries: Thinking Maturely About The Christian Faith)
 
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We have many facets. Part of our being created in the image of God, is we have a piece of His creative nature. We can bring from our thoughts (the metaphysical) to an outcome; the physical. We are able to turn our inner desires into an outward manifestation. What we create can be either "Good" or "Evil" our choice. Though often I wonder if our perspectives are too limited to always tell the difference.
 
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How do you reconcile the differences between imago dei and total depravity of man.

Imago dei meaning we were created in the image of God. The doctrine of total depravity basically says than man is evil and full of no good. In the words of Wesley:

Yeah as Grace said. :thumbsup:

The foundation of it lies near as deep as the creation of the world; in the scriptural account whereof we read, "And God," the three-one God, "said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him:" (Gen. 1:26, 27) -- Not barely in his natural image, a picture of his own immortality; a spiritual being, endued with understanding, freedom of will, and various affections; -- nor merely in his political image, the governor of this lower world, having "dominion over the fishes of the sea, and over all the earth;" -- but chiefly in his moral image; which, according to the Apostle, is "righteousness and true holiness." (Eph. 4:24) in this image of God was man made. "God is love:" Accordingly, man at his creation was full of love; which was the sole principle of all his tempers, thoughts, words, and actions. God is full of justice, mercy, and truth; so was man as he came from the hands of his Creator. God is spotless purity; and so man was in the beginning pure from every sinful blot; otherwise God could not have pronounced him, as well as all the other work of his hands, "very good." (Gen. 1:31) This he could not have been, had he not been pure from sin, and filled with righteousness and true holiness. For there is no medium: If we suppose an intelligent creature not to love God, not to be righteous and holy, we necessarily suppose him not to be good at all; much less to be "very good."

2. But, although man was made in the image of God, yet he was not made immutable.
Global Ministries - John Wesley, Sermon 45, The New Birth


God as creator brings aspects of himself into his creation, just as any artist or sculptor has their own style. God didn't replicate Himself in creation, but as a creator did allow aspects of himself to flow through His creation.
 
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When I think of God as creator, I think of how we all are made in him image. We are not a mistake, unloved, or just random cells. But we are made in his image with a capacity to commune with him and know him in a way unlike the angels. God is intimately involved with us. Because we are created to commune with him, salvation is more than just making sure we go to heaven when we die and or that our sins are gone. Rather it means that God craves a relationship with each one of us right now, just that sin stands in the way. When we give them to God, it means that relationship can be restored and fellowship established. God can restore us to his image enabling us to become more and more beatiful, pure reflections of his love.

:amen:


You don't create something just for the sake of it, you create it because you have a passion about it.
 
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Realizing that we are created in God's image helps me to not only have a healthy self-esteem, but to want to love others. Sometimes this confuses other people. They've been so downtrodden by others that they can't understand why I am treating them as persons of worth and value. It has been the strangest thing to me to encounter resistence from others, especially Christians, regarding me treating them as valuable. I guess it just goes to show how much they've been lied to by others regarding their worth.
 
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We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen. (Nicene Creed)

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth. (Apostle's Creed)

We believe in one eternally existent, infinite God,
Sovereign Creator and Sustainer of the universe (1st Article of Faith of the CotN)


The historic Creeds as well as more recent Statements of Faith uphold the belief in a creator God; this isn't all there is to the nature of God, but it is an important part of His nature. This thread is to look at the creative aspect of God's nature.

The Holy Scriptures begin by recognising this aspect of God and it is the first thing we learn of God's nature. "In the beginning God created..." The God we have isn't one which follows a rigid set of instructions but one which freely uses His thoughts. Creation implies that care and thought went into all that is; God didn't assemble "all that is, seen and unseen", but created with purpose and meaning.

As the fact that God created shows how he is sovereign, not limited in what he creates (Acts 4:24), nor can we limit God. Having created the world, He cannot reside in anything we create (yes we can have things as a focus towards God, but He doesn't reside there) as by being creator He is greater than that; "The God who made the world and everything in it, he who is Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by human hands." (Acts 17:24)

God and our universe is not a subset of something even larger, as all things were created by Him through Christ. God, having created all things, is above all things, none is above Him (Col. 1:15-17).

I'm gonna end this post here before I derail my own thread in one post and drift off topic into other aspects of God's nature ;)

Nice opening for your series of themes. :holy:

It's astonishing if you think of all the minute details that go into so much in this world, how it all comes together perfectly to work together in harmony. How it becomes off-balanced if shifted too much and how it was designed to coordinate so well. Pretty mind-blowing stuff. And, of course, the world if just so beautiful everywhere:





 
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Realizing that we are created in God's image helps me to not only have a healthy self-esteem, but to want to love others. Sometimes this confuses other people. They've been so downtrodden by others that they can't understand why I am treating them as persons of worth and value. It has been the strangest thing to me to encounter resistence from others, especially Christians, regarding me treating them as valuable. I guess it just goes to show how much they've been lied to by others regarding their worth.


Whenever I am feeling self-doubt about myself or low confidence, I try to bolster my mood up by remember I am one of God's children, I am not inferior beside others, and I can do much with His help and support. I like how you're seeing this with treating others, a good mentality to live by.
 
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Whenever I am feeling self-doubt about myself or low confidence, I try to bolster my mood up by remember I am one of God's children, I am not inferior beside others, and I can do much with His help and support. I like how you're seeing this with treating others, a good mentality to live by.

Thanks for the affirmation!
 
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When it will be here, no man knows. But the end will come and Christ will be finished creating. Whoever said creation was over. It is still going on and that makes the hands of the Creator even more visible. God is not dead but he is the end as well as the beginning.

Expect many changes in yourself if you are in the hands of God, as the Master craftsman is always shaping us to fit into his final creative touch. Creation did not end with "In the beginning God" but it ends when Christ returns with a shout and says "Time shall be no more." That is the good news about sanctification and the belief of the truth. Wesleyan Parish believers know well these verses and we know how we participate in God's continual creation. Obey the Spirit, don't follow the flesh, use Christian psychology with your loved ones, and allow God to mold you into his image.
 
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When it will be here, no man knows. But the end will come and Christ will be finished creating. Whoever said creation was over. It is still going on and that makes the hands of the Creator even more visible. God is not dead but he is the end as well as the beginning.

Expect many changes in yourself if you are in the hands of God, as the Master craftsman is always shaping us to fit into his final creative touch. Creation did not end with "In the beginning God" but it ends when Christ returns with a shout and says "Time shall be no more." That is the good news about sanctification and the belief of the truth. Wesleyan Parish believers know well these verses and we know how we participate in God's continual creation. Obey the Spirit, don't follow the flesh, use Christian psychology with your loved ones, and allow God to mold you into his image.

That's a great point. I know I'm guilty of seeing creation as a past event not a present one.
 
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Realizing that we are created in God's image helps me to not only have a healthy self-esteem, but to want to love others. Sometimes this confuses other people. They've been so downtrodden by others that they can't understand why I am treating them as persons of worth and value. It has been the strangest thing to me to encounter resistence from others, especially Christians, regarding me treating them as valuable. I guess it just goes to show how much they've been lied to by others regarding their worth.

Christ said to love your neighbor as yourself. So there is a prerequisite there. To love yourself first.
 
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