God and sin

[david rodriguez]

If God punishes sin and I will always be a sinner, being a Christian or not, I will always be punished.

 

[Davian]

If God punishes sin and I will always be a sinner, being a Christian or not, I will always be punished.

How does the Christian God punish those that consider it fiction?

 

[david rodriguez]

How does the Christian God punish those that consider it fiction?

The Christian God in dealings with people who do not believe He exists does not 'chastise' as the Holy Bible would say. God chastises those whom He loves. Those that are not chastised by Him are considered 'illegitimate children.' The Christian God, being Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in my opinion, would not 'punish' those who think they are fiction because of 1-there would be no good result that would come out of the punishment, 2-the punishment would be for 'vengeance' rather than for Love. The Christian God wants to save lives NOT destroy lives. If He saw an opportunity to save a Life, I think He would grab onto that possibility rather than grabbing onto an opportunity that leads HIM into destroying a life.

 

[Soyeong]

If God punishes sin and I will always be a sinner, being a Christian or not, I will always be punished.

A sinner is not someone who goes through a cycle of sin and repentance, but someone who makes a practice of sinning. At no point in the Bible are believers referred to as sinners, but rather as saints.

 

[david rodriguez]

A sinner is not someone who goes through a cycle of sin and repentance, but someone who makes a practice of sinning. At no point in the Bible are believers referred to as sinners, but rather as saints.

so does that mean that saints are not sinners? and does that mean once a saint i will never fall into sin? What does the Apostle Paul mean when he said that we are all sinners, that all have sinned and that all fall short of the Glory of God? Why did King David say this also when He repented time and time again? Do you think King David ceased from sinning in his life? Or is it that the Apostles never sinned once having become Apostles? So every time I commit a sin, either by choice or involuntary, and I confess and turn, does that make me someone that will NEVER commit the same sin in my entire life? is that even possible? A sin that most people are not aware of could be the sin of complacency as they lived in while the Prophet Jeremiah was walking among them.

 

[david rodriguez]

so does that mean that saints are not sinners? and does that mean once a saint i will never fall into sin? What does the Apostle Paul mean when he said that we are all sinners, that all have sinned and that all fall short of the Glory of God? Why did King David say this also when He repented time and time again? Do you think King David ceased from sinning in his life? Or is it that the Apostles never sinned once having become Apostles? So every time I commit a sin, either by choice or involuntary, and I confess and turn, does that make me someone that will NEVER commit the same sin in my entire life? is that even possible? A sin that most people are not aware of could be the sin of complacency as they lived in while the Prophet Jeremiah was walking among them.

Even in the time of Jeremiah, God was still God. He hasn't changed since then nor was He different then from now.

 

[Davian]

The Christian God in dealings with people who do not believe He exists does not 'chastise' as the Holy Bible would say. God chastises those whom He loves. Those that are not chastised by Him are considered 'illegitimate children.' The Christian God, being Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in my opinion, would not 'punish' those who think they are fiction because of 1-there would be no good result that would come out of the punishment, 2-the punishment would be for 'vengeance' rather than for Love. The Christian God wants to save lives NOT destroy lives. If He saw an opportunity to save a Life, I think He would grab onto that possibility rather than grabbing onto an opportunity that leads HIM into destroying a life.

Your beliefs aside, how is this any different from gods simply being characters in books?

 

[david rodriguez]

Your beliefs aside, how is this any different from gods simply being characters in books?

in my opinion, i've given my life, while here on this earth and anything after this earth, to the One whom I believe has the Power and Authority to give me anything during my time on this earth and my time after this earth. If i have to place my 'faith' or 'belief' in Someone or Something, I choose to place my 'faith' and 'belief' upon the One who supposedly parted the Red Sea and led the Israelites out of the land of bondage, Egypt, and Who led them to enter into a land where they were able to live freely, away from slavery. To me, that's kind of nice to free a people who were enslaved by brutality.

 

[Soyeong]

so does that mean that saints are not sinners? and does that mean once a saint i will never fall into sin? What does the Apostle Paul mean when he said that we are all sinners, that all have sinned and that all fall short of the Glory of God? Why did King David say this also when He repented time and time again? Do you think King David ceased from sinning in his life? Or is it that the Apostles never sinned once having become Apostles? So every time I commit a sin, either by choice or involuntary, and I confess and turn, does that make me someone that will NEVER commit the same sin in my entire life? is that even possible? A sin that most people are not aware of could be the sin of complacency as they lived in while the Prophet Jeremiah was walking among them.

Again, a sinner is not someone hasn't stop sinning, but someone who makes a practice of sinning rather than a practice of repentance. So you can't be both a saint and a sinner at the same time, but that doesn't mean that we don't fall into sin, just that we don't make a practice of it. Paul said that all have sinned, but he never said that we all are sinners. Likewise David sinned, but he wasn't a sinner because he made a practice of repenting from his sins. Repenting from sin doesn't mean that you will never sin for the rest of your life. Sanctification is about being made to be more like Christ, so we will sin less as we go through the process, but we won't stop sinning until God finishes the good work that he began in us on the day of Christ Jesus.

 

[Davian]

in my opinion, i've given my life, while here on this earth and anything after this earth, to the One whom I believe has the Power and Authority to give me anything during my time on this earth and my time after this earth. If i have to place my 'faith' or 'belief' in Someone or Something, I choose to place my 'faith' and 'belief' upon the One who supposedly parted the Red Sea and led the Israelites out of the land of bondage, Egypt, and Who led them to enter into a land where they were able to live freely, away from slavery. To me, that's kind of nice to free a people who were enslaved by brutality.

I do not see how that in any way addresses my question. It seems that all you are saying "stuff happens, God did it".

I find myself thinking, why should I care?

 

[david rodriguez]

I do not see how that in any way addresses my question. It seems that all you are saying "stuff happens, God did it".

I find myself thinking, why should I care?

"why should I care?" my answer to that might be because it's a good thing to care.

 

[juvenissun]

If God punishes sin and I will always be a sinner, being a Christian or not, I will always be punished.

Yes. Everyone does.
But Christians also have rewards.
So, one plus and one minus. For a Christian, there will be some excess.

 

[juvenissun]

How does the Christian God punish those that consider it fiction?

Would you punish your son if he thought you are only fictional?

 

[Davian]

"why should I care?" my answer to that might be because it's a good thing to care.

Why should I care about a fictional character?

 

[Davian]

Would you punish your son if he thought you are only fictional?

If I were acting in manner that would lead my son to believe I was fictional, how could I punish him in a manner that would not betray my existence?

 

[juvenissun]

If I were acting in manner that would lead my son to believe I was fictional, how could I punish him in a manner that would not betray my existence?

If your son wanted to, he can certainly find a reason to reject you as his father. You would be too mad to punish him.
This is not a fiction. It happened since human existed.

 

[Davian]

If your son wanted to, he can certainly find a reason to reject you as his father. You would be too mad to punish him.
This is not a fiction. It happened since human existed.

You failed to address my point.

If my son thought of me as fiction, he wouldn't reject me, he would just think I do not exist, for whatever reason. Why would I be mad at him, if it was my inaction that led him to believe I was fiction?

 

[juvenissun]

You failed to address my point.

If my son thought of me as fiction, he wouldn't reject me, he would just think I do not exist, for whatever reason. Why would I be mad at him, if it was my inaction that led him to believe I was fiction?

I did not miss your point. We look at the same thing from different angles.

You try to ask your son: how much did you do to him?
He might say: Well, as a matter of fact, not much.

 

[Davian]

I did not miss your point. We look at the same thing from different angles.

You try to ask your son: how much did you do to him?
He might say: Well, as a matter of fact, not much.

You missed it again.

I cannot ask and maintain the appearance of being fictional.
If I do not ask, he will not respond. He will most probably be apathetic.

 

[Colter]

What is a sin anyway? Christians talk constantly about it?