God and rape.

[NannaNae]

What kinda question is that? Does God have a right to protect his creation? As if God would be wrong to do so.

God has every right to protect anyone he wants in as much as he has a right to refuse to protect anyone he wants in that he is good and is Almighty. Who can protect thousands of people at a time in different places? Only God can!

Would you prefer a mere man to protect mankind? Who is man to do such a thing?

I would love to know your reasoning for this peculiar question.

500 million + abortions, millions of rapes, slaves getting their breast cut off in islamic countries, children raped everywhere... he can't stop it until he takes it all back..
now it is our mess and unless we give him rights to us and ours he has none.


pray about and explain these ,just explain these !

Mat 8:8
The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

Mat 8:9
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

Mat 8:10
When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

Mat 8:11
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 8:13
And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

Jesus did not need to go to the man house. he said 'but speak the word only ', because the man understood the concept of authority.. he was submitting himself and his household to Jesus. then with just his name , he can protect us..
He was saying he gave Jesus authority to himself and his household! and Jesus was impressed because this centurion understood stuff about Jesus Authority to work that no one else did.

and for this opposite reasons

12Then he said to me, "Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words. 13"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. 14"Now I have come to give you an understanding of what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision pertains to the days yet future."…

Persia was not a christian/jewish/ righteous nation!
and obviously God and his angels ,, even the princes of angels had few rights there !

 

[NannaNae]

Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

this is about who is submitted to whom and who has authority of whom..

why did Moses have to ASK Pharaoh to let the people go .
why didn't they just leave if God can do as he wishes to whom ever he wishes ?
why because Pharaoh and Egypt OWNed the Israeli people in their land.
this is all about legalities and authorities and rights and laws and promises !
you see God is first and foremost lawful. he is not a Genie, He is lawful!

 

[graceandpeace]

So you're saying rape can happen to anyone?

Yes.

So God who is in control could just sit and do nothing as some dog comes along and just defiles her and treats her her and her sexual organs as an object for his pleasure? That doesn't come across to you as wrong? Where are your values?

God is not in control. There is a reason Christians pray the Lord's Prayer.

There are indeed people who deserve to be raped,

Anti-Christian statement.

Saying that no one deserves to get raped is just as absurd as saying no one deserves to die or become injured.

Anti-Christian statement.

This is not necessarily to say rape is a good thing or that it can serve a good purpose so much as it is to say there are good reasons for God to allow someone to be raped,

Anti-Christian statement.

Your posts suggest you either don't know the Gospel, or if you know it you reject it. Until that issue is addressed, not much more can be said.

 

[apocolypticremedy999]

Yes.



God is not in control. There is a reason Christians pray the Lord's Prayer.



Anti-Christian statement.



Anti-Christian statement.



Anti-Christian statement.

Your posts suggest you either don't know the Gospel, or if you know it you reject it. Until that issue is addressed, not much more can be said.

Your own words contradict themselves. You say that God can allow anyone to be raped, but yet you also say there is never a good reason for anyone to be raped and that no one could deserve it, but the Bible teaches us that everything God allows has good reason.

If there can be no good reason for anyone to be raped and no one can deserve it, then why does God allow it?

FYI - I do understand that some certain people desire to protect their reputation and therefore justify why something may happen to them as anything but their own fault. Just like a man who didn't look both directions before running through an intersection without stopping at the red light may just say it was because accidents happen to escape the blame of his irresponsibility and protect his so-called integrity. Perhaps this could be your reasoning for your nonsense? With all due respect, it is nonsense.

Also, do bear in mind what you're accusing God of, people. We know that the church of God is the bride of Christ. No man that loves his wife would ever sit and do nothing when he could do something as his wife is raped, but you're saying God would, even the purest and the most virtuous of his wives. Even before the engagement ring is placed on so to speak, or when one comes to accept Christ, it is safe to say that he has his eyes on the person and loves them to an extent in that we are all chosen before we are even born, meaning that even then it is dangerous to suggest that God would allow such a thing to come upon them, unless, like I said, there is a lesson to be learned for them which he might allow for them in tough love, but it would be even less necessary for him to allow it at the time one accepts Christ, for he said those who love me keep my commandments. Rape involves sexual defilement. Much easier for even a husband to allow his wife to be physically assaulted and to heal and recover from it without such an experience completely effecting who they are then to allow his wife to be sexually assaulted and used as an object for some other man's pleasure to be defiled for life. Think about it. I don't think you all know God.

In conclusion, I think it is safe to say that any rape victim at the time of the OT, and today, suffered so because of a problem within themselves. And whether the rapists were condemned or not, which regardless, I think they should be, it meant that the rape victim was not in perfect harmony with God in that he is the bridegroom of the bride, how traumatizing it is for a bridegroom who is intimately involved with his bride to know his bride has been defiled, let alone the bride herself as well, being that she kept such a thing sacred and had no desire to just giver herself away like a product on the shelf, esp for meat-hungry dogs when she was preserving herself for him. You people have to know right morality and ethics here. God is good, is he not? Well then! That's all you need to know.

 

[NannaNae]

Yes.

God is not in control.

YES! in that we / man can NOT blame him for what happens in our leased dwelling places.. if he can invade our leased lands and homes , we are but slaves. we/humanity have a lease a timed almost up lease ..

There is a reason Christians pray the Lord's Prayer.

yes that is great! and so true

yes the Lords prayer is such a perfect prayer ! in that prayer we have to give him authority to work in our lives and on our homes and in our beings in what we receive and even what we eat....
in that prayer we make him Father/ owner/ patriarch of the family with full rights to invade our space.. but like the prodigal son... he was willing to live even as a slave in his fathers house ........ because he learned like most of us that the world don't have anything to offer that anyone really wants when and if they do get it .... it ain't all that.

 

[NannaNae]

Your own words contradict themselves. You say that God can allow anyone to be raped, but yet you also say there is never a good reason for anyone to be raped and that no one could deserve it, but the Bible teaches us that everything God allows has good reason.

If there can be no good reason for anyone to be raped and no one can deserve it, then why does God allow it?

FYI - I do understand that some certain people desire to protect their reputation and therefore justify why something may happen to them as anything but their own fault. Just like a man who didn't look both directions before running through an intersection without stopping at the red light may just say it was because accidents happen to escape the blame of his irresponsibility and protect his so-called integrity. Perhaps this could be your reasoning for your nonsense? With all due respect, it is nonsense.

Also, do bear in mind what you're accusing God of, people. We know that the church of God is the bride of Christ. No man that loves his wife would ever sit and do nothing when he could do something as his wife is raped, but you're saying God would, even the purest and the most virtuous of his wives. Even before the engagement ring is placed on so to speak, or when one comes to accept Christ, it is safe to say that he has his eyes on the person and loves them to an extent in that we are all chosen before we are even born, meaning that even then it is dangerous to suggest that God would allow such a thing to come upon them, unless, like I said, there is a lesson to be learned for them which he might allow for them in tough love, but it would be even less necessary for him to allow it at the time one accepts Christ, for he said those who love me keep my commandments. Rape involves sexual defilement. Much easier for even a husband to allow his wife to be physically assaulted and to heal and recover from it without such an experience completely effecting who they are then to allow his wife to be sexually assaulted and used as an object for some other man's pleasure to be defiled for life. Think about it. I don't think you all know God.

In conclusion, I think it is safe to say that any rape victim at the time of the OT, and today, suffered so because of a problem within themselves. And whether the rapists were condemned or not, which regardless, I think they should be, it meant that the rape victim was not in perfect harmony with God in that he is the bridegroom of the bride, how traumatizing it is for a bridegroom who is intimately involved with his bride to know his bride has been defiled, let alone the bride herself as well, being that she kept such a thing sacred and had no desire to just giver herself away like a product on the shelf, esp for meat-hungry dogs when she was preserving herself for him. You people have to know right morality and ethics here. God is good, is he not? Well then! That's all you need to know.

I think you are wrong in that if you live in a godless nations or a false god nation where God has no rights at all.. then it becomes harder for God to protect his people in that environment.. not that he can't it is just way harder to do it........ the enemies seeking to devour and in a wicked godless/ or false god nation.... where 97 % of all rapist walk with no punishment and they don't even pay in anyway for the wrong they do .... things won't get better but only worse. and it won't have anything to do with the person being wicked..

I mean women are being raped while under dentistry care and surgery and they didn't even know it.. with all the drugs in this country what a mess , drugs that can and do put people out can and do let people take advantage of woman and children .... and it can and does happen everywhere and sometimes the victims don't even know it because they were drugged/ medicated or what ever.
yes they threw a doctor and a dentist/ oral surgeon in jail for rapes ages ago in my old city
no one deserves that sir! christian or not .... they only deserved to have the operation done correctly and to have their dentistry done right. but in a country with hell ruling it ..... heaven isn't in control. hell is.

now prayer helps and prayer can protect..... but wisdom and discernment helps too ..

 

[apocolypticremedy999]

I think you are wrong in that if you live in a godless nations or a false god nation where God has no rights at all.. then it becomes harder for God to protect his people in that environment.. not that he can't it is just way harder to do it.

Nothing is too hard for God. Now our rights to believe in him and practice our faith to him are God-given, they are not given by any man, although there may be some truth that some nations may have some more freedom to practice faith than others, but God is always in control, and no one's rights to practice faith are infringed if he is not willing to allow it. It's safe to say that God ensures that people of all nations must have some extent to practice their faith. Now to what extent that goes, only he knows, but all nations must have some extent of freedom to such a thing, after all, it is the sole reason in which God gave us life. Do you think God would let man completely restrict his people from placing their faith in him? You're sorely mistaken if you think the answer is yes.

“Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh. Is anything too hard for me?" -Jeremiah 32:27

'What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?' -Romans 8:31

'And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.' -Romans 8:28

..... heaven isn't in control. hell is.

That's absurd on so many levels. Do you not know God at all?

'Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.' -Proverbs 19:21

'The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.' -Proverbs 16:9

“Be still, and know that I am God. I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth!” -Psalm 46:10

'Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is yours. Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and you are exalted as head above all. Both riches and honor come from you, and you rule over all. In your hand are power and might, and in your hand it is to make great and to give strength to all.' -1 Chronicles 29:11-12

 

[Hawkiz]

So you're saying rape can happen to anyone? Even the purest virgin who took a vow of celibacy to preserve herself for the kingdom? So God who is in control could just sit and do nothing as some dog comes along and just defiles her and treats her her and her sexual organs as an object for his pleasure? That doesn't come across to you as wrong? Where are your values?

Also, I'm not necessarily saying that being a victim of rape can make someone impure, but it means that they're defiled. It means that they're contaminated. Do you need the definition of defile?

de·file

1 [dih-fahyl]
verb (used with object), de·filed, de·fil·ing.

1. to make foul, dirty, or unclean; pollute; taint; debase.

2. to violate the chastity of.

3. to make impure for ceremonial use; desecrate.

4. to sully, as a person's reputation.

There are indeed people who deserve to be raped, and they are those who do not preserve the sanctity of their bodies as God meant for them, but put them on display as objects of lust, disregarding the degradation in such a thing. They are those who don't understand the bad aspects of sexuality and the selfishness in it. Saying that no one deserves to get raped is just as absurd as saying no one deserves to die or become injured. This is not necessarily to say rape is a good thing or that it can serve a good purpose so much as it is to say there are good reasons for God to allow someone to be raped, although I don't think letting one with a pure heart to be defiled in such a way is one of them, therefore I can't believe that the good God that we serve would allow such a thing.

Lastly, I never said God causes evil. I don't know where you gathered such a conclusion. What I was saying was that God is in control and there is nothing that happens without his allowance, and he doesn't need to allow that which is pure to be defiled.

'So you're saying that rape can happen to anyone?'

Yes

'So God who is in control could just sit and do nothing...'

Again, you are committing a sin of presumption here. You are assuming that God is doing (your word) NOTHING. And this is patently false. God is always doing something...we might not like it. We further might not understand it. We even further might get upset about it. But we have no knowledge of how His plan fits together under the picture of Eternity. And none of us are in any position to pass judgement upon God, which is precisely what you are doing by claiming He is doing nothing. I urge you to prayerfully consider the position you are putting yourself in, as well as how you are trying to squeeze God into your personal view of what He should be.

'There are indeed people who deserve to be raped.'

I still cannot believe my eyes when I read this coming from someone who claims to follow Christianity. I have been praying fervently for you about this statement in particular...you are so far outside the boundaries of both Christianity and normal human thought with this. It is a serious enough statement that I am taking the steps of reporting you to the moderators of this forum and suggesting that they review it. I will further suggest that you seek a Christian counselor. Talk to a spiritual mentor. This is a deep seeded issue for you, and claiming that some people deserve to be raped is positively preposterous. You need to seek both medical and spiritual guidance that can expose why you think this is an OK thought.
No one deserves to be raped. You were quick to pull out the dictionary to defend 'defile'...will you look up rape too? Rape is about forcing someone against their will. To blame rape on someone for the way that they dress, or talk, or walk, or drink, or act, or anything else displays your misguided view. Rape isn't the victims fault. It is solely the fault of the perpetrator.

I am praying for you. And I beg you to please seek help. This forum is not well suited to help you beyond prayer.

Peace in Christ

 

[NannaNae]

opps duplicate

 

[NannaNae]

Nothing is too hard for God. Now our rights to believe in him and practice our faith to him are God-given, they are not given by any man, although there may be some truth that some nations may have some more freedom to practice faith than others, but God is always in control, and no one's rights to practice faith are infringed if he is not willing to allow it. It's safe to say that God ensures that people of all nations must have some extent to practice their faith. Now to what extent that goes, only he knows, but all nations must have some extent of freedom to such a thing, after all, it is the sole reason in which God gave us life. Do you think God would let man completely restrict his people from placing their faith in him? You're sorely mistaken if you think the answer is yes.

“Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh. Is anything too hard for me?" -Jeremiah 32:27

'What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?' -Romans 8:31

'And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.' -Romans 8:28



That's absurd on so many levels. Do you not know God at all?

'Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.' -Proverbs 19:21

'The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.' -Proverbs 16:9

“Be still, and know that I am God. I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth!” -Psalm 46:10

'Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is yours. Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and you are exalted as head above all. Both riches and honor come from you, and you rule over all. In your hand are power and might, and in your hand it is to make great and to give strength to all.' -1 Chronicles 29:11-12

what I am saying is this !
trust God only, and you/ or woman are a fool if you trust mankind in anything , no matter their degrees or what ever. because everyone on this planet is into some form of abuse of power and abuse of authority...
Even those in the process of sanctification.. because they aint fully cooked yet either. .

.. that is what sin is! Abuse of authority!

and sinners / worldly fleshly
christian or not want us to let them/ allow them / make available to them so that they can abuse who ever , and what ever they want to , for whatever reason they want to until they are fully cooked .
that is the very definition of sin... thinking you are god and can do as you wish to whom ever you wish to do to them.

now only HE can protect ... but will he?
if you as a adult are also an abuser in some form? but most everyone is uncooked in some form.... daily praying and really meaning the Lord's prayer is the only answer to keep us humble and from being abused or abusing...... but as society gets even worse and affords christian less protection.. who knows. I know there is christian in other nations who are being crucified... having their boobs cut off and their children raped.. and if you think for one minute you are somehow more special more righteous than them.. you are in for a rude awakening someday.

 

[Edial]

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The thing about this one is; why would God allow a married woman to be raped against her will with no one to rescue her? Why wouldn't he himself rescue her himself? Why would he allow such an injustice? I couldn't feel comfortable with a God that would allow my wife to be raped forcibly, esp if both I and my wife were people of sincere faith. ...

Hi folks.
This place is for discussing Christian Scriptures not questions on why there is evil in the world.

Also, apocolypticremedy999, you are walking a bit too close to the edge by accusing God. You are speaking against God.
Such accusations against God are not allowed.

If you have questions, please open a thread in Members Services and ask for Edial.

Thanks,
In Christ,
Edial

 

[apocolypticremedy999]

Hi folks.
This place is for discussing Christian Scriptures not questions on why there is evil in the world.

Also, apocolypticremedy999, you are walking a bit too close to the edge by accusing God. You are speaking against God.
Such accusations against God are not allowed.

If you have questions, please open a thread in Members Services and ask for Edial.

Thanks,
In Christ,
Edial

I was not accusing God, but simply presenting my reasoning for why I don't believe God would do such a thing, although if these scriptures were to imply that he did, I admit, that yes I would accuse him.

The thing about it is, taken in context, I think there is more to it than meets the eye, which is why I suggested that perhaps he would allow these things under different circumstances, perhaps if one's wife was not of sincere faith and/or was not in compliance with God's standards involving how a woman should dress or behave and thus also pure ethics involving proper modesty for a woman rather than shameful and explicit dress code and/or behavior.

In other words, I do believe the wife would have to be doing something wrong somewhere somehow for God to allow such a thing, otherwise I do not think God would allow it.