God and Needs

[quatona]

You two sound like you're married.

Received is, I´m not.

 

[Received]

You two sound like you're married.

Oh, we basically are. Me and quatona/klaus go back to the good old (or maybe not?) general apologetics days.

He's also my favorite poster, maybe of all time. Even though to him I don't understand (willfully or not) half of what he's saying.

 

[Colter]

Oh, we basically are. Me and quatona/klaus go back to the good old (or maybe not?) general apologetics days.

He's also my favorite poster, maybe of all time. Even though to him I don't understand (willfully or not) half of what he's saying.

Sounds like its been a looooong dialogue for sure.

 

[quatona]

Sounds like its been a looooong dialogue for sure.

You wouldn´t have that in a marriage.

 

[Colter]

You wouldn´t have that in a marriage.

 

[Received]

Received is, I´m not.

Bahahaha, so I'm the dude in love with you and only *thinks* the time we spend by the pool and that time you bought me an ice cream means we're in a relationship?

You cold killer you.

 

[quatona]

Would it comfort you if I changed my status-icon to "married"?

 

[KCfromNC]

Yeah, because we all know what you mean by evidence and self-negating falsifiability.

And hidden in this statement is the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence. When you really properly consider the question of God, you're basically down to the old question of why there's something rather than nothing: God either created stuff or he didn't. This is a purely 50/50 bet here.

Considering the thousands of god concepts to pick from, it is hardly a 50-50 bet. Maybe 50% no god vs. 0.1% for any particular god, but in that case I know the safest bet.

Even without any evidence at all, to claim that evidence is "wanting" either presupposes some complicated scientifically biased projection onto the problem (e.g., you shouldn't believe in anything unless you have evidence -- which of course is self-negating) or that you're not metaphysically considering the 50/50 chance of God existing giving the dichotomy presented above.

Or it is just being reasonable and not believing in stuff when there's no reason to. No need for made up mumbo-jumbo metaphysical this or presupposes that to explain that approach to life.

 

[KCfromNC]

dp

 

[KCfromNC]

Go jump in the lake, quatona.

You really have an axe to grind, eh?

I never evaded anything to emotionalism

Everyone stop and appreciate the irony here.

 

[Received]

Would it comfort you if I changed my status-icon to "married"?

NOW you're pushing it too far.

 

[Received]

Everyone stop and appreciate the irony here.

Yeah, I'm appreciating your lack of humor.

 

[Received]

KC: Humour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[KCfromNC]

Humor or outrage or whatever - doesn't change my point.

 

[Received]

Humor or outrage or whatever - doesn't change my point.

That you have no sense of humor?

 

[Gottservant]

I personally go the other route, I say, belief in God gives me truths to believe in (which in a roundabout way satisfies a need for the truth I have, I guess).

This sort of thing has been a bugbear for me for a while now though, I am even currently debating it with someone else - if God satisfies certain things that are good, how can you argue that the possibility of not believing in Him for less of a reason is somehow equally valid? (It just doesn't make sense)

 

[Nooj]

It does appear that individuals get the feeling of security, being loved, meaning in life, guidelines for morality, etc from their belief in a god. No *actual* gods required.

i personally don't see how believing in a god gives individuals feelings of security, being loved, meaning in life, guidelines for morality etc.

since the opposite can clearly be true. (feeling on insecurity, feeling of being hated or hounded by god, uncertainty about life, destruction of moral guidelines)

and as a religious person, believing in god gives me very little, or nothing. not even a warm fuzzy feeling. the benefits i get from being a religious person don't come from my end, not my mental assent to the proposition that god exists, not going to church, not whatever. any benefits i get, come almost accidentally, incidentally (i think from god) and might just as well come to a non-believing person in a similar or completely different scenario.

so again, believing in god gives me very little or nothing, and i don't see why or by what mechanism, belief in a god could or would give a religious person 'feelings of security' or 'being loved' etc.

 

[Davian]

I personally go the other route, I say, belief in God gives me truths to believe in (which in a roundabout way satisfies a need for the truth I have, I guess).

How circular.

This sort of thing has been a bugbear for me for a while now though, I am even currently debating it with someone else - if God satisfies certain things that are good, how can you argue that the possibility of not believing in Him for less of a reason is somehow equally valid? (It just doesn't make sense)

You are thinking of disbelief as a belief. Disbelief is not a belief. It does not require justification.

 

[Davian]

i personally don't see how believing in a god gives individuals feelings of security, being loved, meaning in life, guidelines for morality etc.

since the opposite can clearly be true. (feeling on insecurity, feeling of being hated or hounded by god, uncertainty about life, destruction of moral guidelines)

and as a religious person, believing in god gives me very little, or nothing. not even a warm fuzzy feeling. the benefits i get from being a religious person don't come from my end, not my mental assent to the proposition that god exists, not going to church, not whatever. any benefits i get, come almost accidentally, incidentally (i think from god) and might just as well come to a non-believing person in a similar or completely different scenario.

so again, believing in god gives me very little or nothing, and i don't see why or by what mechanism, belief in a god could or would give a religious person 'feelings of security' or 'being loved' etc.

Perhaps you believe in a different god than the other individuals on this forum that do claim they derive meaning in life, guidelines for morality etc. from their religion.

 

[Nooj]

Perhaps you believe in a different god than the other individuals on this forum that do claim they derive meaning in life, guidelines for morality etc. from their religion.

i believe in the christian god. i just don't think that purely believing has any benefits.