God allowing evil to rule

[VCR-2000]

I know that people will say that God has given man free choice to choose him or against him and that's why things are so, but I am still frustrated over the whole thing. God may say in the Bible that he is objectively just and all-benevolent, but sometimes life is cold or unjust. People live their whole lives and die in non-peaceful conditions, and before they can ever get justice.

God tells us to have patience and that he has his timing, but our life down here does not wait. People get older, weaker, civilizations rise and fall, etc. If you were in a situation where someone got away with something very horrible and heartbreaking done to you, and the damage wasn't rectified within a reasonable short measure of time, you would feel cheated and frustrated. Our own secular concept of justice, on paper, is that "bad guys" get justice within a reasonably swift time, and that the victim is fairly compensated.

 

[Bradskii]

It's why they invented the concept of hell. But then again, if you're talking justice...

 

[BeyondET]

I know that people will say that God has given man free choice to choose him or against him and that's why things are so, but I am still frustrated over the whole thing. God may say in the Bible that he is objectively just and all-benevolent, but sometimes life is cold or unjust. People live their whole lives and die in non-peaceful conditions, and before they can ever get justice.

God tells us to have patience and that he has his timing, but our life down here does not wait. People get older, weaker, civilizations rise and fall, etc. If you were in a situation where someone got away with something very horrible and heartbreaking done to you, and the damage wasn't rectified within a reasonable short measure of time, you would feel cheated and frustrated. Our own secular concept of justice, on paper, is that "bad guys" get justice within a reasonably swift time, and that the victim is fairly compensated.

Feeling cheated and frustrated is hard to tackle, it can be really hard to forgive. But it can relieve the stress about it.

 

[VCR-2000]

Feeling cheated and frustrated is hard to tackle, it can be really hard to forgive. But it can relieve the stress about it.

Who are you asking me to forgive here?
I can forgive while still acknowledging the unfairness of it all.

 

[BeyondET]

Who are you asking me to forgive here?
I can forgive while still acknowledging the unfairness of it all.

Well imo your are not totally forgiving, If you continue to acknowledge it as unfair it will eat at you.

 

[timothyu]

Just the personal knowledge that the world man has made in our own image, sucks, is the first step in understanding our self serving way are useless and the prospects of the Kingdom look like a viable alternative.

 

[BeyondET]

Not all people who do horrible things are stone cold, close but still can be worthy of forgiveness an opportunity to make things right and patience is intertwined as well, the only way to move on.

 

[IoanC]

God does help His chosen. They will suffer, but God spiritually/miraculously alleviates their pain, for example, such that their inner/true selves are always at peace,happy, resistant to pain, free, etc..

 

[Larniavc]

I know that people will say that God has given man free choice to choose him or against him and that's why things are so, but I am still frustrated over the whole thing. God may say in the Bible that he is objectively just and all-benevolent, but sometimes life is cold or unjust. People live their whole lives and die in non-peaceful conditions, and before they can ever get justice.

God tells us to have patience and that he has his timing, but our life down here does not wait. People get older, weaker, civilizations rise and fall, etc. If you were in a situation where someone got away with something very horrible and heartbreaking done to you, and the damage wasn't rectified within a reasonable short measure of time, you would feel cheated and frustrated. Our own secular concept of justice, on paper, is that "bad guys" get justice within a reasonably swift time, and that the victim is fairly compensated.

Yeah, that's one of the issues Christian theology has: God is supposed to be super good but here we are. When tat gets brought up they blame people or redefine the definition of good.

 

[Larniavc]

God does help His chosen. They will suffer, but God spiritually/miraculously alleviates their pain, for example, such that their inner/true selves are always at peace,happy, resistant to pain, free, etc..

Why not just give them less pain?

 

[IoanC]

Why not just give them less pain?

It is preferred that satan and his chosen are temporarily free, such that their fight is fair. Being the only source of suffering and pain, they are totally weak and inefficient. Actual suffering and pain exists only in their world; until they fail altogether and go to hell.

 

[peacefulseeker]

It's an issue I definitely struggle with. Injustice is the worst. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" is as important a commandment as any but some happily violate this to destroy others. Even those presenting themselves as the "good guys"/

 

[Mark Quayle]

I know that people will say that God has given man free choice to choose him or against him and that's why things are so, but I am still frustrated over the whole thing. God may say in the Bible that he is objectively just and all-benevolent, but sometimes life is cold or unjust. People live their whole lives and die in non-peaceful conditions, and before they can ever get justice.

God tells us to have patience and that he has his timing, but our life down here does not wait. People get older, weaker, civilizations rise and fall, etc. If you were in a situation where someone got away with something very horrible and heartbreaking done to you, and the damage wasn't rectified within a reasonable short measure of time, you would feel cheated and frustrated. Our own secular concept of justice, on paper, is that "bad guys" get justice within a reasonably swift time, and that the victim is fairly compensated.

After venting, I curiously find myself wondering why I consider certain things to be the default, and why I measure everything else against that.

 

[VCR-2000]

I don't believe there is justice or that it is all an illusion anyway. Someday it will be just moot.

 

[Larniavc]

It is preferred that satan and his chosen are temporarily free, such that their fight is fair.

So it’s like Pro wrestling in that the outcome is predetermined but it needs to have the appearance of a fair fight?

But unlike Pro wrestling it’s involuntary and many participants lead short pain filled lives?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I know that people will say that God has given man free choice to choose him or against him and that's why things are so, but I am still frustrated over the whole thing. God may say in the Bible that he is objectively just and all-benevolent, but sometimes life is cold or unjust. People live their whole lives and die in non-peaceful conditions, and before they can ever get justice.

God tells us to have patience and that he has his timing, but our life down here does not wait. People get older, weaker, civilizations rise and fall, etc. If you were in a situation where someone got away with something very horrible and heartbreaking done to you, and the damage wasn't rectified within a reasonable short measure of time, you would feel cheated and frustrated. Our own secular concept of justice, on paper, is that "bad guys" get justice within a reasonably swift time, and that the victim is fairly compensated.

I guess the question is ; what do you expect from the here and now while you are still in the flesh? The Gospel is all about the afterlife, the resurrection of the dead into the new and everlasting life with Him. Jesus Christ of Nazareth warns us of the comming tribulations we will have to endure and to not be shaken by it. If this is misunderstood it may cause one to abandon Him. He tells us we will suffer but to stay the course and love Him, till the end. Blessings.

 

[timothyu]

We were tossed from the Garden and isolated in this world to suffer the consequences of our adversarial nature to the will of God. The more we make this world in our own image, the greater the suffering. For man's prime motivator is gain at the expense of others. A self absorbed world of man means unnecessary greed creating hurt and oppression.

 

[VCR-2000]

So it’s like Pro wrestling in that the outcome is predetermined but it needs to have the appearance of a fair fight?

But unlike Pro wrestling it’s involuntary and many participants lead short pain filled lives?

Even man's earthly system of justice is on paper more fair than God's version. At least it says the bad guys are supposed to be delivered quickly. Meanwhile, God asks to be patient, even until after your dead, and it doesn't matter anymore anyway. So it is moot.

 

[VCR-2000]

We were tossed from the Garden and isolated in this world to suffer the consequences of our adversarial nature to the will of God. The more we make this world in our own image, the greater the suffering. For man's prime motivator is gain at the expense of others. A self absorbed world of man means unnecessary greed creating hurt and oppression.

But humans aren't always bad. I actually like that humans got to go on adventures, find new lands, rule them in their own image, etc.

 

[Larniavc]

He tells us we will suffer but to stay the course and love Him, till the end.

Why love someone who makes you suffer? He could just lay off on the suffering?