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In this forum and other CF forums we have members who have short-circuited their minds on drugs; and heterosexual people who have led wildly promiscuous lives; and others who have pickled their livers (and possibly their brains) with alcohol; and still others who have leeched and manipulated and conned their way through peoples' lives and fortunes -- and they "find Jesus" which apparently makes them feel like they've "earned" the right judge others without mercy;

...and I smoked pot all of a half-dozen times 32 years ago and stopped because I thought it was really, really boring; have never experimented with hard drugs; have never been promiscuous; drink alcohol maybe once a week (with Sunday dinner); have been working in some capacity since I was 14; have almost always been actively attending church and participating in some capacity in parish life even after I left the SBC when I was 15 -- and I'm the Devil Demon Homosexual From Hell Who Is Responsible For Destroying The American Family And All Of Western Civilization because I happen to be gay, and I'm quite comfortable being gay, and I've been living in a satisfying, loving, happy and monogamous relationship with my partner of 17 years!

Go figure... :scratch:
 
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In this forum and other CF forums we have members who have short-circuited their minds on drugs; and heterosexual people who have led wildly promiscuous lives; and others who have pickled their livers (and possibly their brains) with alcohol; and still others who have leeched and manipulated and conned their way through peoples' lives and fortunes -- and they "find Jesus" which apparently makes them feel like they've "earned" the right judge others without mercy;

...and I smoked pot all of a half-dozen times 32 years ago and stopped because I thought it was really, really boring; have never experimented with hard drugs; have never been promiscuous; drink alcohol maybe once a week (with Sunday dinner); have been working in some capacity since I was 14; have almost always been actively attending church and participating in some capacity in parish life even after I left the SBC when I was 15 -- and I'm the Devil Demon Homosexual From Hell Who Is Responsible For Destroying The American Family And All Of Western Civilization because I happen to be gay, and I'm quite comfortable being gay, and I've been living in a satisfying, loving, happy and monogamous relationship with my partner of 17 years!

Go figure... :scratch:
:hug: ALL of have struggled and continue to struggle with sin dear one.:prayer:
 
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and they "find Jesus" which apparently makes them feel like they've "earned" the right judge others without mercy;
Sadly but true. But in my rebirth, I was inspired by Paul's authority talk, and by Paul. Along with it was pride and lacking love for others and a lot of other sins. Remember Uber, remember when I first came on here and I preached fire and brimestone in the most unloving, prideful way?
People should not be rude, not be prideful, not boast, not judge, but be considerate, loving, kind, patient, humble, forgiving and merciful!
For example, I see a Christian friend of mine gamble every week. I believe this is a big sin on his life and he sort of thinks so too. Two days ago he talked to me that he feels about these unusual circumstances that are happening in his life and that he doesn't feel right in going to Casino all the time to play poker. So I gave him advice, referred him to letter of James and Hebrews 12 on God diciplining people who he loves. Not once did I cast fire and brimstone upon him, although I strongly desire to do so, but because I love him, I consider himself and gently let him know he is sinning.
You see! =)
I hope my point has been made by my example :p

But in church, if one is a preacher, that may be a different story. They can be more....outspoken about not sinning depending on the sermon they preach. Not to say you can't go up to someone and say "Your sinning! Stop committing adultery! Stop stealing! Stop....stop...stop! I did that the other day with a women who knew about Jesus but didn't know what sin really was. So I blurted out a whole bunch of things and it startled her! So...you need to be careful about the truth, because it hurts! =( and may draw them away from Jesus.
Take Paul's example in his letter to the Ephesians. At first, he gently nudged them, but in his second letter, he wasn't gentle but more commanding.

 
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Actually, this bears to mind:

1 John 1:5-2:2

We all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Of course, we will always have sin that falls into our lives, but as we progress in our relationship with God and walk in the Spirit, we sin less and less.
But Jesus will always be there, struggling with us against our sins as we talk daily trying to please God =)
 
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In all honesty, I think they're all three in the wrong. God does not judge us on our good deeds or on our past and He judges all of our sins equally. For ANYONE to say they're most justified in picking and choosing who is worthy to share the good news is, well, kind of ridiculous.

Since only God has the power to pick and choose. This means everything. And it goes to everyone who ever picks and chooses which "sin" to hate, picks and chooses which "sinner" to "help", picks and chooses and picks and chooses. The Bible itself is a pick and choose since most modern Bibles don't even have all of the discovered and translated books in them. I picked up a different translation Bible and it was missing Micah I think it was. Which is sad because Micah is a pretty good book of the Bible.

This means everyone. Don't anyone say I'm being a hypocrite because I don't pick and choose verses. I either take it as a whole or I don't take it at all. If I use verses in my argument, it's too test to see who really practices what they preach. (Besides, the last time I used a verse to help protect myself from attacks against my age, I was told it "doesn't apply young people". 1 Timothy 4:12 for those who know it).
 
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Your testimony goes along with God's word in that God gives grace to the humble but resists the proud.
(1 Peter 5:5)

How you ministered to your friend, is how one would be expected to minister to someone who is bowing his knee to the authority of the Lord. He demonstrated a humble and contrite heart, and acknowledges his sin. He is not attempting to change the Word of God and ranting and raving that he doesn't care what God's Word says or completely redefining what is truth and attacking those that speak the Word of Truth with venomous vigor.


That is not what we have here. What we have here are prideful boasters of sin, unrepentant, mockers, scoffers, blasphemous, slanderous, false teaching, stiff necked and rebellious, doing it all in the name of the Lord.



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Sadly but true. But in my rebirth, I was inspired by Paul's authority talk, and by Paul. Along with it was pride and lacking love for others and a lot of other sins. Remember Uber, remember when I first came on here and I preached fire and brimestone in the most unloving, prideful way?
People should not be rude, not be prideful, not boast, not judge, but be considerate, loving, kind, patient, humble, forgiving and merciful!
For example, I see a Christian friend of mine gamble every week. I believe this is a big sin on his life and he sort of thinks so too. Two days ago he talked to me that he feels about these unusual circumstances that are happening in his life and that he doesn't feel right in going to Casino all the time to play poker. So I gave him advice, referred him to letter of James and Hebrews 12 on God diciplining people who he loves. Not once did I cast fire and brimstone upon him, although I strongly desire to do so, but because I love him, I consider himself and gently let him know he is sinning.
You see! =)
I hope my point has been made by my example :p

But in church, if one is a preacher, that may be a different story. They can be more....outspoken about not sinning depending on the sermon they preach. Not to say you can't go up to someone and say "Your sinning! Stop committing adultery! Stop stealing! Stop....stop...stop! I did that the other day with a women who knew about Jesus but didn't know what sin really was. So I blurted out a whole bunch of things and it startled her! So...you need to be careful about the truth, because it hurts! =( and may draw them away from Jesus.
Take Paul's example in his letter to the Ephesians. At first, he gently nudged them, but in his second letter, he wasn't gentle but more commanding.

 
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That is not what we have here. What we have here are prideful boasters of sin, unrepentant, mockers, scoffers, blasphemous, slanderous, false teaching, stiff necked and rebellious, doing it all in the name of the Lord.

Like this guy:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Louisiana Sen. David Vitter, who has been in seclusion since acknowledging dealings with a Washington escort service, "will be back next week," said a Senate colleague who has exchanged messages with him.

(I've got about 110 more items where that came from — all of whom are "True Christians"®, all of whom are heterosexuals who were caught with their pants down, so to speak.

(But I bear in mind that I'm the one — along with my partner of 17 years — who is "tearing down the American family and destroying civilization in the West as we know it".)
 
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Actually your works are useless when it comes down to your salvation. I don't know why so many of you gay supporters keep bringing up what you do or don't do since salvation is based on God's grace alone and his election. I think it's because of your conviction of your sin that you do not wish to repent, but let that be on your own heads. You are just as responsible just as any adulteror for your sin, scripture says it so...so accept it. No amount of fighting and bickering is going to change that.
 
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Actually your works are useless when it comes down to your salvation. I don't know why so many of you gay supporters keep bringing up what you do or don't do since salvation is based on God's grace alone and his election. I think it's because of your conviction of your sin that you do not wish to repent, but let that be on your own heads. You are just as responsible just as any adulteror for your sin, scripture says it so...so accept it. No amount of fighting and bickering is going to change that.

I wasn't talking about my salvation.

I was talking about the hypocrisy of drug-addicted people (and dry drunks), as well as heterosexuals who consort with "escort services" or have their own favorite vices who believe they have the right to judge gays without mercy.

As for election: I have every reason to believe that I'm one of them — just like you!

Won't it be wonderful when you and I are together in Heaven?
 
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Actually your works are useless when it comes down to your salvation. I don't know why so many of you gay supporters keep bringing up what you do or don't do since salvation is based on God's grace alone and his election. I think it's because of your conviction of your sin that you do not wish to repent, but let that be on your own heads. You are just as responsible just as any adulteror for your sin, scripture says it so...so accept it. No amount of fighting and bickering is going to change that.
Works are NOT useless my friend. You think you will receive salvation by not doing good deeds? Helping your fellow brothers and sisters? When the term "deeds don't get you intot heaven" was used, it was meant to show that not only the wealthy were able to get to heaven, but also those that didn't have the $$ for deeds like the wealthy did. THAT is what is meant here. It is very much the work that you do that will get God to give grace to you and thus bring salvation. you can not get grace, nor will you be saved, if your selfish and do nothing with your life. You are to minister to all brothers and sisters, rich, poor, old, young, etc... Yesterday's sermon was about the good Samaritan. Perhaps you should refresh and read it.
 
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I wasn't talking about my salvation.

I was talking about the hypocrisy of drug-addicted people (and dry drunks), as well as heterosexuals who consort with "escort services" or have their own favorite vices who believe they have the right to judge gays without mercy.

As for election: I have every reason to believe that I'm one of them — just like you!

Won't it be wonderful when you and I are together in Heaven?

If you want to speak of hypocracy, all of us would fall short. No one would have to say anything about anything since no one reaches God's standard making this thread pointless.

As far as you being God's elect, all I'm going to say that I'll shall recognize you by your works.
 
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Works are NOT useless my friend. You think you will receive salvation by not doing good deeds? Helping your fellow brothers and sisters? When the term "deeds don't get you intot heaven" was used, it was meant to show that not only the wealthy were able to get to heaven, but also those that didn't have the $$ for deeds like the wealthy did. THAT is what is meant here. It is very much the work that you do that will get God to give grace to you and thus bring salvation. you can not get grace, nor will you be saved, if your selfish and do nothing with your life. You are to minister to all brothers and sisters, rich, poor, old, young, etc... Yesterday's sermon was about the good Samaritan. Perhaps you should refresh and read it.
You are again mistaken by the Gosple. One's works are a result of your salvation. It's not because of your works that you will be saved...no amount of "good" will get you into heaven.
 
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If you want to speak of hypocracy, all of us would fall short. No one would have to say anything about anything since no one reaches God's standard making this thread pointless.

As far as you being God's elect, all I'm going to say that I'll shall recognize you by your works.

But didn't you just say...

Actually your works are useless when it comes down to your salvation. I don't know why so many of you gay supporters keep bringing up what you do or don't do since salvation is based on God's grace alone and his election. I think it's because of your conviction of your sin that you do not wish to repent, but let that be on your own heads. You are just as responsible just as any adulteror for your sin, scripture says it so...so accept it.
Which boils down to, "works are useless, but I'll judge you by your works."

p = not p, which is a contradiction.

As a "master of logic", you should know that.
 
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You are again mistaken by the Gosple. One's works are a result of your salvation. It's not because of your works that you will be saved...no amount of "good" will get you into heaven.

James 21:14-25
14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man says he has faith, but has no works? Can faith save him?
15 And if a brother or sister is naked and in lack of daily food, 16 and one of you tells them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled;” and yet you didn’t give them the things the body needs,what good is it? 17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead in itself. 18 Yes, a man will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without works, and I by my works will show you my faith.


19 You believe that God is one. You do well. The demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But do you want to know, vain man, that faith apart from works is dead? 21 Wasn’t Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that faith worked with his works, and by works faith was perfected; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness;” and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that by works, a man is justified, and not only by faith. 25 In like manner wasn’t Rahab the prostitute also justified by works, in that she received the messengers, and sent them out anotherway? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, even so faith apart from works is dead.

Works won't save us, but one had better be able to back up their claims of "faith" with works.

I would think that those who claim to know the Bible as well as they like to proclaim would at least be aware of the Epistle of James.

Like, like people logging on to messageboards and telling gays and lesbians that they're going to Hell — first, for being gay or lesbian; and second, even if they weren't gay or lesbian, they're STILL going to Hell because they're not a part of the "Elect" like some of us.

That's "love". Makes one just want to bask in that kind of "love".
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(The first part of James 2 also talks about not showing partiality to the rich and the well-to-do, so we might not want to stress that lest those who are rich and well-to-do, and their political and social supporters be made to feel as uncomfortable as the poor, the sick, the homeless, and most of all those awful gays and lesbians are often made to feel. James calls that "showing partiality" and says that is a sin which violates the entire Law; but showing partiality is also one way we can demonstrate our "love" by judging "righteous" judgment.) :sick:

Realizing that there are those among us who may not want to risk contamination by reading Scriptural quotes posted by us "heathen" — here is the beginning of James 2.

James 2:1-13


My brothers, don’t hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ of glory with partiality. 2 For if a man with a gold ring, in fine clothing, comes into your synagogue, and a poor man in filthy clothing also comes in; 3 and you pay special attention to him who wears the fine clothing, and say, “Sit here in a good place;” and you tell thepoor man, “Stand there,” or “Sit by my footstool;” 4 haven’t you shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? 5 Listen, my beloved brothers. Didn’t God choose those who are poor in this world to be rich in faith, and heirs of the Kingdom whichhe promised to those who love him? 6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Don’t the rich oppress you, and personally drag you before the courts? 7 Don’t they blaspheme the honorable name by which you are called? 8 However, if you fulfill the royal law, according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well. 9 But if you show partiality, you commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law, and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak, and so do, as men who are to be judged by a law of freedom. 13 For judgment is without mercy to him who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
 
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I wasn't talking about my salvation.

I was talking about the hypocrisy of drug-addicted people (and dry drunks), as well as heterosexuals who consort with "escort services" or have their own favorite vices who believe they have the right to judge gays without mercy.

As for election: I have every reason to believe that I'm one of them — just like you!

Won't it be wonderful when you and I are together in Heaven?

Sorry, just because someone else is sinning it does not give you the right to sin.
 
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Good works won't get you into heaven.

But does this mean you shouldn't perform good works? God will not let you into heaven if you only go to Him in fair weather either NewGuy.

The two go hand in hand. You MUST perform good works to your fullest extent and in the name of God.
 
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