Gnosis and Symbolism

[Mysticus]

The man who became known as Jesus taught that ALL BEINGS are the children of God... that which perpetuates existence in the same manner as a person's children are expected to succeed that person. "The Son" symbolism is in reference to being a student. Judaic culture was and is patriarchal, and the major focus of religious teachings and spiritual insight is passed primarily from father to son. Therefore, to say "I am the son of God" or "Jesus is the son of God" or "My father who art in Heaven" is to say one is not only Of God, but a Student Of God.

The word Jesus means redemption, which in reference to the previous sentence "Jesus is the son of God" could be read as "The redeemed is the student of God." Christ means "anointed" therefore, Jesus Christ can be translated to mean "Redeemed and Anointed" which is equivalent to referring to that person as an Enlightened-Being who's wisdom fills a space in the same manor as the smell of one who is anointed with fragrant oils fills a space.

The birth name of the man who became known as Jesus Christ is considered by many scholars and historians to actually have been Yeshua.

During the time that Yeshua was growing up and roaming about, Judea was under Roman rule (as many of us likely already know). This being the case, there were many travelers from all over Eurasia as well as Africa coming and going throughout Rome. Yeshua was likely educated in not only the mystic traditions of the Jewish people but also exposed to other mystic traditions, which is evident in several of the parables attributed to him. During that time and place in history it is likely that Yeshua and his disciples would have been viewed by the Pharisees, as well as the Romans, to consist of what today would have been considered a cult.

 

[JamesJD]

The man who became known as Jesus taught that ALL BEINGS are the children of God... that which perpetuates existence in the same manner as a person's children are expected to succeed that person. "The Son" symbolism is in reference to being a student. Judaic culture was and is patriarchal, and the major focus of religious teachings and spiritual insight is passed primarily from father to son. Therefore, to say "I am the son of God" or "Jesus is the son of God" or "My father who art in Heaven" is to say one is not only Of God, but a Student Of God.

The word Jesus means redemption, which in reference to the previous sentence "Jesus is the son of God" could be read as "The redeemed is the student of God." Christ means "anointed" therefore, Jesus Christ can be translated to mean "Redeemed and Anointed" which is equivalent to referring to that person as an Enlightened-Being who's wisdom fills a space in the same manor as the smell of one who is anointed with fragrant oils fills a space.

The birth name of the man who became known as Jesus Christ is considered by many scholars and historians to actually have been Yeshua.

During the time that Yeshua was growing up and roaming about, Judea was under Roman rule (as many of us likely already know). This being the case, there were many travelers from all over Eurasia as well as Africa coming and going throughout Rome. Yeshua was likely educated in not only the mystic traditions of the Jewish people but also exposed to other mystic traditions, which is evident in several of the parables attributed to him. During that time and place in history it is likely that Yeshua and his disciples would have been viewed by the Pharisees, as well as the Romans, to consist of what today would have been considered a cult.

Yes, Christ was exposed to other traditions little known by mainsteam Christians. The 3 wise men that sought Christ at birth bearing gifts were expecting Christ because of the prophecy of Zarathustra about him, and they followed the star "till it came and stood over where the young child was"-Matt 2:9.
The Hebrews had been in Persia, and released b king Darius, and some Persian traditions were connected to old testament temples, especially, oracle tables, with sand over the table which the person wearing the Urim & Thummin writes upon automatically *automatic writing". Habakkuk 2:2. The oracle chambers were once the most sacred place of temples.
So, when Christ needed a good answer fast, to tell the stone caster mob, to save the woman without contradicting the law of Moses & getting stoned himself; he stooped and wrote on the ground, ignoring them.... automatic writing. The answer was genius; Let him without sin cast the first stone. He gently over-ruled the killer laws of Moses thusly. John 8 & Jude 1:9.
In 2 Chronicles 18:19-22, the Lord sends a lying spirit to the prophets of king ahab, to lead him to defeat, and it was one. That's why oracles fell out of favor, I think. Important to note that the prophets were foretelling the future not based on their own visions or dreams, but by oracles, in that chapter.
I you think about it, Ouija use is the same phenomena as sand table oracles. Most Ouija stories involve the users suddenly getting religion because the oracle predicted something correctly, or manifested with phenomena. The oracle does not suffer fools gladly, nor those seeking something evil.
In Acts 1:23-26, the apostles cast lots to decide which will lead the religious group, praying first. For those who fear other oracles, they might try casting a set of lettered dice. It's amazing how questions can be answered that way, random precision.
Princeton U did a study of rndom number generators, and found a spike in coincidence rate immediately PRIOR to the 9/11 event, and immeditely PRIOR to the Christmas quake and tsunami of 2004.
The day of the Rockaway crash in NY, the lottery winner was the flight number there. What are the odds of a jet supposedly crashed because of shanks on board, crashing at Shanksville? Random precision. God can so speak to you, if you allow.
How's that for gnostic symbology and customs? The oracle at Delphi was tested by king Agrippa, and found valid, and was renowned in the time of Christ. But along came Nero, whose nname in Roman numerals=666, to slay all at Delphi. Christ never condemned the famous Delphi oracle, nor oracles.

 

[Mysticus]

Yes, Christ was exposed to other traditions little known by mainsteam Christians. The 3 wise men that sought Christ at birth bearing gifts were expecting Christ because of the prophecy of Zarathustra about him, and they followed the star "till it came and stood over where the young child was"-Matt 2:9.
The Hebrews had been in Persia, and released b king Darius, and some Persian traditions were connected to old testament temples, especially, oracle tables, with sand over the table which the person wearing the Urim & Thummin writes upon automatically *automatic writing". Habakkuk 2:2. The oracle chambers were once the most sacred place of temples.
So, when Christ needed a good answer fast, to tell the stone caster mob, to save the woman without contradicting the law of Moses & getting stoned himself; he stooped and wrote on the ground, ignoring them.... automatic writing. The answer was genius; Let him without sin cast the first stone. He gently over-ruled the killer laws of Moses thusly. John 8 & Jude 1:9.
In 2 Chronicles 18:19-22, the Lord sends a lying spirit to the prophets of king ahab, to lead him to defeat, and it was one. That's why oracles fell out of favor, I think. Important to note that the prophets were foretelling the future not based on their own visions or dreams, but by oracles, in that chapter.
I you think about it, Ouija use is the same phenomena as sand table oracles. Most Ouija stories involve the users suddenly getting religion because the oracle predicted something correctly, or manifested with phenomena. The oracle does not suffer fools gladly, nor those seeking something evil.
In Acts 1:23-26, the apostles cast lots to decide which will lead the religious group, praying first. For those who fear other oracles, they might try casting a set of lettered dice. It's amazing how questions can be answered that way, random precision.
Princeton U did a study of rndom number generators, and found a spike in coincidence rate immediately PRIOR to the 9/11 event, and immeditely PRIOR to the Christmas quake and tsunami of 2004.
The day of the Rockaway crash in NY, the lottery winner was the flight number there. What are the odds of a jet supposedly crashed because of shanks on board, crashing at Shanksville? Random precision. God can so speak to you, if you allow.
How's that for gnostic symbology and customs? The oracle at Delphi was tested by king Agrippa, and found valid, and was renowned in the time of Christ. But along came Nero, whose nname in Roman numerals=666, to slay all at Delphi. Christ never condemned the famous Delphi oracle, nor oracles.

Good Job JamesJD, I have done some reading regarding the random number generator research that is going on as well... a friend of my who is working on his Bachelors of Science in physics is hoping to get in on the research pertaining to that study as a grad student, interesting stuff.

There is a stone alter, or fire temple, in India that is thought to be a prayer spot for Magi (Zoroastrians), and considered one of the oldest existing alters of monotheism.

There are alters that have been uncovered within cave dwellings dating to the Paleolithic and Neolithic eras that predate this alter by quite a bit, but the religious nature of these alters are unknown... likely representing shamanic traditions, which are typically animistic.

 

[JamesJD]

Good Job JamesJD, I have done some reading regarding the random number generator research that is going on as well... a friend of my who is working on his Bachelors of Science in physics is hoping to get in on the research pertaining to that study as a grad student, interesting stuff.

There is a stone alter, or fire temple, in India that is thought to be a prayer spot for Magi (Zoroastrians), and considered one of the oldest existing alters of monotheism.

There are alters that have been uncovered within cave dwellings dating to the Paleolithic and Neolithic eras that predate this alter by quite a bit, but the religious nature of these alters are unknown... likely representing shamanic traditions, which are typically animistic.

Just wondering if you are familiar with the terminology used in the Gnostic Pistis Sophia, which I have here but, don't understand the terms "Archons" & "aeons"?

 

[Mysticus]

Just wondering if you are familiar with the terminology used in the Gnostic Pistis Sophia, which I have here but, don't understand the terms "Archons" & "aeons"?

An archon is considered by various gnostic sects to be an overseer or ruler of the material realm and thought to be an aspect, emanation or creation of the demiurge; with the demiurge being the blind, ignorant or false god. The archon in meant to keep the creation done by the demiurge (the material world) ignorant of the Divinity within all beings, which is thought to be a "spark" or aspect of the Monad, the true God. The demiurge is often identified with the creator god of Abrahamic religions, a figure that is described as arrogant and ignorant of the Infinite Monad of which the demiurge is but a part of. Some gnostic traditions are dualistic and consider the demiurge to be in opposition to the Monad in a sort of light against dark struggle in which the "Divine-Spark" is trapped within the darkness of matter. I tend towards a monistic perspective which is that fundamentally ALL IS ONE, with nothing missing and nothing broken.

Basically speaking, the archon is the equivalent to the angels and demons of mainstream Christianity. I would equate the archons, or angels and demons, to aspects of existence such as the fundamental forces of nature and the illusion of plurality of the material world.

An aeon on the other hand is considered to be an emanation of the Monad such as Sophia (wisdom) or Christ (anointed or enlightened being). The aeon is considered to be that which brings or offers the awareness of the Divinity within... that which associates us with the Monad, the Infinite Unity of ALL as ONE. A realization that is represented in all the religions of the world by their mystic traditions.

I hope that helps you some. I meant to write back earlier, but I have children and such and kept getting distracted. I can elaborate on the subject more later... and of course if you have any other questions, let me know.
take care

 

[JamesJD]

An archon is considered by various gnostic sects to be an overseer or ruler of the material realm and thought to be an aspect, emanation or creation of the demiurge; with the demiurge being the blind, ignorant or false god. The archon in meant to keep the creation done by the demiurge (the material world) ignorant of the Divinity within all beings, which is thought to be a "spark" or aspect of the Monad, the true God. The demiurge is often identified with the creator god of Abrahamic religions, a figure that is described as arrogant and ignorant of the Infinite Monad of which the demiurge is but a part of. Some gnostic traditions are dualistic and consider the demiurge to be in opposition to the Monad in a sort of light against dark struggle in which the "Divine-Spark" is trapped within the darkness of matter. I tend towards a monistic perspective which is that fundamentally ALL IS ONE, with nothing missing and nothing broken.

Basically speaking, the archon is the equivalent to the angels and demons of mainstream Christianity. I would equate the archons, or angels and demons, to aspects of existence such as the fundamental forces of nature and the illusion of plurality of the material world.

An aeon on the other hand is considered to be an emanation of the Monad such as Sophia (wisdom) or Christ (anointed or enlightened being). The aeon is considered to be that which brings or offers the awareness of the Divinity within... that which associates us with the Monad, the Infinite Unity of ALL as ONE. A realization that is represented in all the religions of the world by their mystic traditions.

I hope that helps you some. I meant to write back earlier, but I have children and such and kept getting distracted. I can elaborate on the subject more later... and of course if you have any other questions, let me know.
take care

Thanks. Now I can re-read the Pistis Sophia, which is the most confusing Gnostic text I know, with a new understanding. I have the Nag Hamaddi codex also, and Psuedopigrapha, and the book titled "The Other Bible", which contains some obscure gnostic texts also. I also have a book titled The Gnostic Scriptures".
The extra info comes in handy in trying to put the puzzle pf prophecy together.

 

[Mysticus]

Here is a link to a site that has many Gnostic writings posted for anyone to read...

http://gnosis.org/library.html

 

[Mysticus]

The "Original Cross" is the Ankn of ancient Egypt. A symbol depicting a circular shape, representing the womb, upon the crossing of horizontial and vertical lines, representing the penis and womb coming together, and symbolic of eternal life.

The symbol of the cross was also utilized by Coptic Christians, who were the Gnostics of Egypt. Their cross symbol utilized a coming together of eight lines, which are actually four lines crossing, fashioned within a circle into One symbol, and is considered a symbol of the Unity and emanations of Creation; called the eight aeons, or the wheel of manifest creation--- time.

A similar symbolism is utilized in Buddhist tradition and known as the wheel of karma, representing the law of cause and effect.

I am sure most of you are aware of the Catholic or Christian cross, which is considered by most to be a symbol of the suffering, sacrifice, and resurrection of Christ (the anointed). The mystical aspect of which reaches beyond the history of Roman methods of execution and embodies a symbolism of the making of two into One. The making of two into One is a mystic understanding and experience which is described as a death experience followed by a second birth, being "born again,"or perhaps even what is called the "virgin birth."

 

[JamesJD]

The "Original Cross" is the Ankn of ancient Egypt. A symbol depicting a circular shape, representing the womb, upon the crossing of perpendicular and vertical lines, representing the penis and womb coming together, which is representative of eternal life.

The symbol of the cross was also utilized by Coptic Christians, who were the Gnostics of Egypt. Their symbolism utilized a coming together of eight lines, which are actually four lines crossing, fashioned within a circle into One symbol, and is considered a symbol of the Unity and emanations of Creation; called the eight aeons, or the wheel of manifest creation--- time.

A similar symbolism is utilized in Buddhist tradition and known as the wheel of karma, representing the law of cause and effect.

As I am sure most of you are aware, the Catholic or Christian cross, is a symbol of the suffering, sacrifice, and resurrection of Christ (the anointed). The mystical aspect of which reaches beyond the history of Roman methods of execution and may embody a symbolism of the making of two into One. A mystic understanding and experience which is considered to be a death experience followed by a second birth, being "born again,"or perhaps even what is called a "virgin birth."

I find it interesting that the ancient Celtic cross is older than Christianity, perhaps as old as the "anhk". Any comments on that?

 

[Mysticus]

I find it interesting that the ancient Celtic cross is older than Christianity, perhaps as old as the "anhk". Any comments on that?

I would say that the symbolism embodied within the Celtic cross is similar to the symbolism mentioned above and also representing the merging of all directions. Such symbolism is also found within the medicine wheel utilized by some of the indigenous people of north America. The Celtic cross symbolism is also expounded upon by the use of knot work. The knot work symbolizing the recognition of the enter-linking and interdependence of all of nature.

 

[Mysticus]

Something I just read regarding the symbolism of the Celtic cross had to do with the cross also representing the Celtic lineage, which for me is reminiscent of the symbolism embodied within the ankn mentioned above in my previous post.

 

[JamesJD]

I would say that the symbolism embodied within the Celtic cross is similar to the symbolism mentioned above and also representing the merging of all directions. A symbolism that is also found within the medicine wheel utilized by some of the indigenous people of north America. The Celtic cross symbolism is also expounded upon by the use of knot work. The knot work symbolizing the recognition of the enter-linking and interdependence of all of nature.

I was given a book intended only for freemasons, which has footnotes by masons, with little known info, and which admits the book is censored in part. You can sometimes find it in used book stores..."OAHSPE"; which is supposedly written via "automatic writing", & a spiritual hisory of the last 24,000 years. I'm antimasonic myself, and think the book shoud be available to all interested.

In ancient Persia, pre Zarathustra, those claiming to be prophets were tied to a "wheel of Ormazd", to be tested; if you survived the animals and God set you free, you were accepted as a prophet. The wheel is very ancient in religious symbology.

 

[Mysticus]

I was given a book intended only for freemasons, which has footnotes by masons, with little known info, and which admits the book is censored in part. You can sometimes find it in used book stores..."OAHSPE"; which is supposedly written via "automatic writing", & a spiritual hisory of the last 24,000 years. I'm antimasonic myself, and think the book shoud be available to all interested.

In ancient Persia, pre Zarathustra, those claiming to be prophets were tied to a "wheel of Ormazd", to be tested; if you survived the animals and God set you free, you were accepted as a prophet. The wheel is very ancient in religious symbology.

Here is a link to a site which posts "sacred texts" some of which mentions "wheel of Ormazd."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oah/oah/oah199.htm

I never heard of OAHSPE but I will keep an eye out for it...

 

[JamesJD]

Here is a link to a site which posts "sacred texts" some of which mentions "wheel of Ormazd."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oah/oah/oah199.htm

I never heard of OAHSPE but I will keep an eye out for it...

There's an Old Testament era revelations type book called Sefir Zerubabel, which SHOULD be with the jewish Psuedopigrapha, but not. Zerubabel was mentioned repeatedly in the Old Testament.

Last I tried, I found lots of sites speaking of it, but 2 claiming to have it to read; neither of which could I access. Let me know if you find it.

 

[JamesJD]

Here is a link to a site which posts "sacred texts" some of which mentions "wheel of Ormazd."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oah/oah/oah199.htm

I never heard of OAHSPE but I will keep an eye out for it...

I forgot to say, the link you posted was quoting the Oahspe, which means "earth spirit". It explains alot of symbols, most basicly, the crescent and star, and many others. So, you probably would find it interesting.

 

[Mysticus]

Just to elaborate some on the nature of symbolism in relation to experiencing... a reason that many polytheistic cultures have been capable of exchanging various ideals of gods, goddess, and deities, as well as stories is because such ideals are all expressions of the human experience and stories outlining the nature of the experiencing.

Examples being the various identities associated with aspects such as love and beauty >>> Aphrodite, Venus, Hathor, Freya... etcetera.

Of war >>> Ares, Mars, Menhit, Tyr, and so on...

Of wisdom>>> Athena (also a goddess of war), Minerva , Thoth, Odin (also a god of war and king of the Norse pantheon), and several more...

In just about every polytheistic culture a personality will be attributed to such aspects of experiencing. My point is that where such gods and goddesses reside is not some particular place like the Mountain called Olympus. But instead resides within the psyche and lives of each and everyone.

To quote Joseph Campbell from "The Power of Myth" >>>
"You can personify God in many many ways. Is there one god? Are there many gods? Theses are merely categories of thought. What you are talking about and trying to think about transcends all thought. One problem with Yehweh, as they say in the old Christian Gnostic texts, is that he forgot he was a metaphor. He thought he was fact. And when he said, 'I am God' a voice was heard to say 'You are mistaken Samaul.' Samaul means blind god: blind to the Infinite Light of which he is but a local historical manifestation. This is know as the Blasphemy of Jehovah- that he though he was God."