Global Warming!

[GBTG]

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

According to God, Christians, have a responsibility to keep His creation, the Earth habitable. Is it worth the risk to be wrong about Global Warming?

Regards, GBTG

 

[Ken Rank]

Risk? We had a mini-ice age from 1450 through 1850 (ish) and it has been warming ever since. Admittedly, many people are not good stewards for what we have been blessed with... but what do you propose? We fall in line with the "world secular system" and accept that man is the cause of global warming? That is something I won't ever do because they have taken a natural occurrence and turned it into a lie for gain.

 

[Dawnhammer]

That is something I won't ever do because they have taken a natural occurrence and turned it into a lie for gain.

So no matter the evidence you have made up your mind ?

 

[Ken Rank]

So no matter the evidence you have made up your mind ?

I have yet to see ANY evidence. I have been told the oceans are rising... but I just saw a picture of a house on the Jersey Shore from 1935 and it not only stands today, but it stands just as far from the ocean as it did in 1935. That said... there has been warming, but we came out of a mini-ice age... this should be expected.

A bunch of liberals crying, "the debate is over" when we have NOT HAD THE DEBATE carries no weight for me. Let's have the debate, in public, and just see what the evidence suggests. But it won't happen... there is too much power to be gained and too much money to be made on this.

 

[GBTG]

I am game! Please provide any evidence you wish to substantiate your position.

Warm regards, GBTG

 

[Ken Rank]

I am game! Please provide any evidence you wish to substantiate your position.

Warm regards, GBTG

Respectfully, I have no desire nor the time to waste on this subject. WE won't have the debate... we need the leading scientists from both sides to sit down in a public forum and allow the people to fairly hear ALL POSITIONS. I am sorry, I hope I am not sounding harsh.... but I have duties at our congregation, am part of an international ministry, am a father, husband, baseball coach (in season) and what time I do have left to spend in places like this... I would rather be gleaning from others and sharing things that can edify in terms of our daily walk with God.

Blessings.
Ken

 

[GBTG]

Respectfully, I have no desire nor the time to waste on this subject. WE won't have the debate... we need the leading scientists from both sides to sit down in a public forum and allow the people to fairly hear ALL POSITIONS. I am sorry, I hope I am not sounding harsh.... but I have duties at our congregation, am part of an international ministry, am a father, husband, baseball coach (in season) and what time I do have left to spend in places like this... I would rather be gleaning from others and sharing things that can edify in terms of our daily walk with God.

Blessings.
Ken

I applaud your Christian activism and efforts! God Bless! That said I am confused as to why you can have such a strong opinion on the topic in your first post, but do not want to waste your time on the subject in the second? I know not why your personal time limitations or status is relevant to this discussion? I politely request that you respect the time and effort I put into formalizing my posts in the future, for I do think this unedifying.

Regards, GBTG

 

[Ken Rank]

I applaud your Christian activism and efforts! God Bless! That said I am confused as to why you can have such a strong opinion on the topic in your first post, but do not want to waste your time on the subject in the second? I know not why your personal time limitations or status is relevant to this discussion? I politely request that you respect the time and effort I put into formalizing my posts in the future, for I do think this unedifying.

Regards, GBTG

I shared a point of view... that was all I really have time to contribute. I could spend my time showing you the study that shows how C02 rises as the temperature rises, it isn't the cause. I can lay out the graphs and show you how we can prove that temperatures around the world have been anywhere from 2 to 5 degrees (f) higher at different times in the last few thousand years and humans survived, obviously. Or I can go the political route and share stories about countries like Belgium who fine their citizens for having unauthorized summer barbecues and enforce this by using gas guzzling/ pollution emitting helicopters. Or, how world summits are called to decide how to "save the earth" while many of the dignitaries who attend them fly there in their private jets... hypocrites! But what good would come of this? You'll either disagree and we will spend the next month debating something we have no power over anyway... or.... you'll agree and then what? Run for World President and address this issue from that pulpit. Like you, I am a Christian... and I believe we have been called to Kingdom work... and that Kingdom is currently not on Earth... it is within us (to a point) but will be on Earth one day. Until then, we have been called to teach (make disciples) but teaching is done from God's Word, not from biased scientists whose religion is the Earth. Things like this topic are important, but not more important than what we are called to do. Things like this are often more distracting... taking our eyes off God as we align politically with others who happen to share our environmental views... rather than aligning with others who share our faith view.

 

[GBTG]

Well stated! One question before I drop the subject. Do we as Christians have a responsibility to be Earth friendly? This was the implication in the original post.

Warm regards, GBTG

 

[Aldebaran]

Well stated! One question before I drop the subject. Do we as Christians have a responsibility to be Earth friendly? This was the implication in the original post.

Warm regards, GBTG

Allow me.
I think we should be friendly to each other and responsible in general. As for being friendly to the Earth, it's hard to say since people can take that to extremes. I don't think we should throw our garbage out into the streets. I think we should be reasonable in taking care of the environment. But some people will talk about mandating we all drive electric cars (not a bad idea when it becomes feasible to actually depend on electric cars) or pay fines for being alive an breathing because we emit CO2 when we simply exhale, it starts getting silly.

 

[JacksBratt]

The "Global Warming" scientists were caught falsifying data and emailing each other about how the data does not align with the predicted warming trend, with questions of what they were going to do about it.


That's all it took to confirm, in my mind, that this is just another scaremongering tactic of the governments of this world, working together with controlled and manipulated scientists and false data, in order to mandate new taxes and other sanctions that will take money from the general public and funnel it into the coffers of the ones in control.

Yes, temperatures were rising and winters were less sever. However, it is not due to CO2. This gas makes up 0.038% of our atmosphere. It increased to 0.040% and the scientists went wild.

Well even if every molecule of CO2 was heated to 100 degrees Fahrenheit.... it would not be enough mass to heat the other 99.96% of the atmosphere.

Yes, I believe we should be good stewards of the land and water on this earth.... but..... we are not causing the polar ice caps to melt anytime soon.

What really drives the global climate is 1/ the strength of the sun, which is in a diminishing stage, 2/ The amount of cloud cover over the earth and 3/ the strength and direction of the trade winds.

These three factors, determine the temperature of the massive water coverage over this globe... the oceans, seas and lakes.... as well as the currents in these massive bodies of water that make up 2/3 of the earths surface.

So, don't try to tell me that a gas that makes up 0.040% of our atmosphere is changing our global climate when we have 71% of the earths surface covered by water that holds heat from the sun and radiates it to the atmosphere.

 

[mindlight]

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

According to God, Christians, have a responsibility to keep His creation, the Earth habitable. Is it worth the risk to be wrong about Global Warming?

Regards, GBTG

There is evidence that mankinds expansion in recent years has contributed to the natural trends for global warming. Also we have more domestic farm animals like cows producing methane than ever before.

Is it an entirely bad thing that the ice is disappearing and that large parts of Siberia are now seeing plant growth?

Europes response has been a shift to sustainable alternative energy sources, careful policies on GW products and reforestation. Other countries including the USA and China have not managed their responses as well despite the fine sounding rhetoric.

The fundamental issue here is the priority of the oil based economy. Europe does not have much oil and has made conscious decisions about dirty coal. But Russia, America and China are still wedded to the fossil fuel economy. Until that changes this discussion whether in the church or society will be an academic one.

 

[Aldebaran]

There is evidence that mankinds expansion in recent years has contributed to the natural trends for global warming. Also we have more domestic farm animals like cows producing methane than ever before.

What if those domesticated farm animals were in the wild along with all the other animals? Would they still produce methane that would contribute to global warming?

 

[mindlight]

What if those domesticated farm animals were in the wild along with all the other animals? Would they still produce methane that would contribute to global warming?

Basically there are more animals because of domestication and farm management and a continual growth in demand. The cow population grew massively over the C20 but not as much as chickens and pigs which would not be as populous in the wild with predators. All produce methane. There is talk of changing their diet but only so much can be done. A big % of global warming comes from these

 

[Ancient of Days]

Its gonna get warm but not the way the global warming propagandists believe.
Luke 12-49
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?"

 

[JacksBratt]

Its gonna get warm but not the way the global warming propagandists believe.
Luke 12-49
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?"

I agree,

According to Al Gore.... we should have seen major increases in our ocean levels and major loss of our polar ice caps...... it may be changing a wee bit. But not near what the scare mongers predicted.

 

[Ancient of Days]

Exactly! I believe its something around 1.2 degree increase over the last 100 years.

 

[JacksBratt]

Exactly! I believe its something around 1.2 degree increase over the last 100 years.

They are sure taking it to the bank though... everyone will nail you to the board if you hint at being a "climate change denier".

Too bad all the sheeple just wander along, blind, and listen to whatever anyone tells them based on some unknown person in a white lab coat said.

Like when we all were told that Lemmings jump to their death.... wrong.
Like we were all told that margarine was better than butter..... wrong.
Or that fat was the problem, not sugar.

It used to be that you shouldn't eat more than two eggs.. now you can eat as many as you want.

This "climate change", which used to be "global warming" until they were found out that it is not warming.....is just another scaremongering tactic to impose new sanctions on manufacturers and taxes on the civilians, in order to put more money in the pockets of those that already have more money than they could ever have a need for.

It is just another symptom of the signs of the end times........ GREED.

 

[Aldebaran]

Basically there are more animals because of domestication and farm management and a continual growth in demand. The cow population grew massively over the C20 but not as much as chickens and pigs which would not be as populous in the wild with predators. All produce methane. There is talk of changing their diet but only so much can be done. A big % of global warming comes from these

If the predators were allowed to eat these animals, then the predators would be the ones thriving and contributing more methane.
The bottom line is that we need to live, and life is going to produce methane. At least animal and human life will. The population growth of humans could also contribute to methane increase. But I think human life is worthy enough to not let the methane they emit be of substantial concern.

 

[JacksBratt]

If the predators were allowed to eat these animals, then the predators would be the ones thriving and contributing more methane.
The bottom line is that we need to live, and life is going to produce methane. At least animal and human life will. The population growth of humans could also contribute to methane increase. But I think human life is worthy enough to not let the methane they emit be of substantial concern.

I am pretty sure that I produce more CO2 than one might expect. We all do. We expire air from our lungs and it is high on CO2... well, high on scaremongering terms. Actually 4% - 5.3% CO2...
The atmosphere we live in is only 0.04% CO2.

Scare mongers would have us believe that an increase of CO2, in our atmosphere, from 0.038% to 0.040% is going to cause the ice caps to melt and New York to become the new Atlantis....

Hogwash. The biggest contributor to CO2 is the Politicians yammering on and on about CO2 and with every breath breathing out air that is 100 times more CO2 than what they breath in...

If you think that the increase of 0.002% in a gas that makes up 0.038% of every bit of atmosphere, can melt the polar ice caps......Good luck.