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Global Warming

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Ok, our last real global warming thread got kinda sidelined.

Why are there still opponents to the idea of global warming?

We have ice core evidence stretching back 650,000 years that show a higher concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere than has EVER existed on the Earth before (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/310/5752/1317 Link data expressed graphically HERE and more recently HERE) and that this increase has been within the last several hundred years. Now, only a few real significant things have happened in the last several hundred years. Industrialization is the most likely candidate off that small list.

We know that CO2 acts as a blanket, trapping the heat of the sun that strikes the Earth.

None of this is disputed by anyboddy who knows which end of the microscope to look into.

Every single scientific organization that deals with climate (The only exception being one that gets its paycheck signed by oil companies) has projected a dramatic temperature increase in the next hundred years (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Global_Warming_Predictions.png)

Dozens of studdies have been conducted and nearly all of them say the same thing http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png

The 10 hottest years on record have been recorded in the last 14 years. Glacier thickness has decreased dramatically.

So...why with ALL this data, are there still people sticking thier fingers in thier ears and denying that global warming is even a problem.

I've even left a few things out because I cant find graphs for some of them. Ocean temperatures are increasing as the years go by, and in 2005 we had the WORST year for storms on record. Warmer water means stronger storms. Temperatures in the US have broken all-time highs at unprecedented rates. More cities in the US reported record high temperatures than any other year in US history.


Even if this absoltue mountain of evidence doesnt conclusively prove global warming, should we do something to control our carbon emissions anyways? Just incase we ARE the problem? What would it hurt to be more environmentally conscious? If we're wrong and we arent responsible for global warming, we've become more environmentally conscious and decreased our negative impact on evironment. But if global warming DOES turn out to be human-caused, if we're wrong, we've essentially caused a new ice-age and devistated the planet. So it pays to be cautious on this, we win if we're right and we win if we're wrong, Im not seeing the negative here.
 

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I think it's doubtful that humans are totally free of the blame for climate change. Remember that the changes in carbon dioxide levels and in global temperatures have happened in the past, but nowhere near as quickly as they are happening now.
 
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I agree that we are clearly not helping the environment in many ways. However, I feel that in some ways this CO2 rant is being used as a scapegoat for car companies, governments etc. to make a killing or in the case of countries to stab political opponents. I think people tend to forget that the off-shoot of all this CO2 green thinking means many developing countries are practically forced to remain strictly under the richer nation's thumbs. This does not seem right as people are dying here and now because of this but instead we are worrying about something that may or may not happen and if it is happening there is very little that we can do to change it! </daily rant>

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I don't oppose the idea of global warming. But while I think there are things we could do (or stop doing rather) that could slow down the process, I think it will still happen. I'm not suggesting we don't make an effort to do what we can... but yeah.
 
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The idea of Global warming is abomination unto God! God created the Earth, therefore mankind cannot break it, that would mean they were greater than God!

Global warming hype is all a satanic plot... ever since God founded the Republican Party, evil satanist influences have sought to undermine the righteousness of a free market economy... environmentalism is the latest in a long chain of anti God Republican haters
 
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Here's a link to a video documentary that agrees with the srticle. It also seems Glenn Beck is doing a special on this subject in about on CNN headline news Wednesday evening where he talks to scientists that do not agree that man is the cause of global warming, he also talks with the producer of a documentary that aired in Europe titled "The Great Global Warming Swindle" <--link to the entire documentary on video. It features interviews with several scintists and numerous professors on this matter who explain the relationship of CO2 and temperature. They say co2 levels respond to temp changes, they follow temp, not cause it. It also explains the relationship of cloud formation caused by cosmic rays and the effect solar winds and activity have upon this process, etc, etc.


Really a FASCINATING VIDEO!



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The idea of Global warming is abomination unto God! God created the Earth, therefore mankind cannot break it, that would mean they were greater than God!

Global warming hype is all a satanic plot... ever since God founded the Republican Party, evil satanist influences have sought to undermine the righteousness of a free market economy... environmentalism is the latest in a long chain of anti God Republican haters
lol I'm finding it hard to figure out if your post is sarcastic or serious.

But if you're serious, God also created man, but if we shoot someone they still die. We eat too much of the wrong stuff, we risk heart disease, cancer, and tons of other diseases. Just like he created our bodies to sustain themselves yet allows us to kill them by not taking care of them, the environment is intended to sustain the earth, but when we cut trees down, we cut off the supply of oxygen. Our oil spills in the seas kill stuff. So, while I'd like to believe he wouldn't let us do it, you can't ignore the temperature data over the past few decades.

Whether or not we're the cause of it, that is up for debate. But I don't doubt it.
 
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>The idea of Global warming is abomination unto God! God created the Earth, therefore mankind cannot break it, that would mean they were greater than God!

Then we should nuke all the "stans" for Jesus?
Absolutely.

Just don't point out that nuking civilian populations including pregnant women is a form of abortion
 
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>The idea of Global warming is abomination unto God! God created the Earth, therefore mankind cannot break it, that would mean they were greater than God!

Then we should nuke all the "stans" for Jesus?
Say...that's a great idea for a bumper sticker:

NUKE THE 'STANS FOR JESUS!

Love it! :)
 
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I was just on http://www.junkscience.com/
they say mankind is responsible for 2.5% of all the climate heat. :cry: I am so sorry. But ya know what is more important, it is all the air pollution in big cities. This has nothing to do with GW but it is a real problem causing lung diseases of all kinds including cancer. I recommend we work on that. Then a thing called global hunger/poverty/disease. I don't want to waste Trillions on something the Sun is responsible for minus 2.5% because of man. :cool:
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:help: I don't care what you say i'm hungry cold and I have no job. Give me a job building power plants. Did I tell you I got saved at a Reinhard Bonkke crusade ? I am penecostal I got the Holy Spirit.
 
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