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I think what's being referred to is the fact that the environmental movement has been hi-jacked by the far left, many of whom are rather inimical to the Christian worldview.I am confused. What in the environmental movement threatens the Christian worldview? Not all environmentalists are Christians, of course, but that doesn't mean that they are wrong about environmental issues. I would appreciate some clarity on this.
Gee, and yet it's in industrialised societies that people enjoy the greatest longevity--in fact, the greatest in history. I wonder...Yes, I remember you from before on this topic!!
However, we are talking about climate, not weather. And unfortunately, man has got clever enough to have an effect on it. And has been since he learned to burn coal, thus making the cities of the industrial revolution black, flithy and disease-ridden.
Exactly! That al-Gore is a 'Lysenkoist' (or a Lysenko-Michurinist) is as perfectly apt a label for him as any other. Except, perhaps, 'Arrogant-hypocritical-liar-with-a-messiah-complex', but that's just too doggone long.Can't be proved. Too many variables. No way to do double blind studies. Ask ten labs what the average mean temperature will be in five years and you will get ten answers. Too many variables we don't even know exist. Only recently have some deep ocean currents been mapped. And even if we did know man caused a change in the climate, there is no way to know what effect any action to reverse that would have. Any action could make the climate warmer. Or much, much cooler. Or have no effect at all. There is no possible way to predict. Not just on a physical basis but on an economic one. Curtail one economic activity and people will do something else. Perhaps something degrades the environment in ways far worse than anything we do today.
Gore and others are lysenkoists. They aren't scientists. They aren't concerned with the climate. They are using junk science and scare tactics to advance a political agenda.
I'm sorry, but for goodness' sake, you're 23!here's a proof of climate change.
in my country, finland, we used to get permanent snow around early november. during the past 10-or-so years, the snow has come later and later, and this year we still have no permanent snow on the ground.
it isn't uncommon to rain in january in finland nowadays, whereas ten years back nobody would have thought it possible.
whether you like it or not, our actions have an effect on the climate. we still can't control the weather, but we are changing the climate..
In my lifetime, frost used to appear around October time, this year, the first ground frost appeared THIS WEEK. Weather anomolies such as this are common place around the world, and it can only be down to global warming.
I have Geraniums still flowering in my garden.. Most peculiar. Wish we could get some frost to kill them off, and all the garden pests also.In my lifetime, frost used to appear around October time, this year, the first ground frost appeared THIS WEEK. Weather anomolies such as this are common place around the world, and it can only be down to global warming.
I do believe in global warming. The whole point of my previous post was that our planet has already experienced periods of greater warmth, even than what we're experiencing today! I don't believe in anthropogenic global warming. Experts on both sides of the debate agree that Earth has seen a general warming trend over the past century of about 0.6 degrees Celsius. Whether or not just over half-a-degree increase is in fact substantial, most of this warming happened in the first half of the century. Considering the post-WW II explosion of industrialization all over the world, if global warming is man-made, this is the exact opposite of what should have occurred.voegelin et al:
ok, so you don't believe in global warming. do you believe that man has any kind of negative influence on the environment?
if not, please provide proof.
again, i'm not trying to start a fight, i'm just asking for your view. based on facts, preferably.
voegelin et al:
ok, so you don't believe in global warming.
For my part, I don't have a problem with much of the science, but--as the part of your post that I've highlighted above illustrates--the crux of the matter is how that science is interpreted. It is here where human error can creep in. Science is supposed to deal exclusively with empirical facts, and the facts are the facts no matter how they're interpreted. The fact is, the 'crisis' of global warming is based almost entirely on computer models. These are not science. With computer models, what goes in, comes out. That is to say, the results one gets are entirely dependent on the information put in. As Voegelin has already more than adequately pointed out, there are simply too many variables that computer programmers and their resultant models cannot account for, in order to conclude with any appreciable degree of certainty just what the future holds concerning the planet's climate. Heck, meteorology is definitely a science, and yet, half the time the weatherman can't accurately tell us what it's going to be like tomorrow, nevermind what's going to happen in the distant future.Who cares if the global warming issue has been hijacked, it happens, but the science supporting global warming is not, as has been said, "junk science". That there is serious debate amongst scientists cannot be disputed, but calling evidence for global warming "junk science" is just haughty name calling.
You don't need to name call to argue against a point, I accept the evidence for global warming as something that shows that humanity does have an effect upon our global climate. If you disagree, so be it, but calling things "junk science" is unacceptable, because it really isn't. It doesn't draw on astrology to come to its conclusions, and it is firmly based on accepted science.
. . . former vice president Al Gore in 2006, on the threat posed by global warming: "Our ability to live is what is at stake." It doesn't get much more dire than that.
Yet here is climatologist Reid Bryson in Fortune magazine's award-winning analysis of global *cooling* in 1974:: "There is very important climatic change going on right now, and its not merely something of academic interest. . . . It is something that, if it continues, will affect the whole human occupation of the earth -- like a billion people starving." . . .
"Geologists Think the World May Be Frozen Up Again," asserted a New York Times headline in February 1895. Worrisome if true, but just seven years later, the Los Angeles Times reported that the great glaciers were undergoing "their final annihilation" due to rising temperatures worldwide. By 1923, though, it was the ice that was doing the annihilating: "Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada," the Chicago Tribune declared on Page 1.
So it was curtains for the Canadians? Er, not quite. In 1953, The New York Times reported that "nearly all the great ice sheets are in retreat." Yet no sooner did our neighbors to the north breathe a sigh of relief than it turned out they weren't off the hook after all: "The rapid advance of some glaciers," wrote Lowell Ponte in The Cooling, his 1976 bestseller, "has threatened human settlements in Alaska, Iceland, Canada, China, and the Soviet Union." And now? "Arctic Ice Is Melting at Record Level, Scientists Say," the Times reported in 2002 . . .
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/JeffJacoby/2006/12/25/climate_of_fear
The Shifting of the Earth's Poles Has Begun,
as predicted by Edgar Cayce in 1936
The reason this is of interest to us is that Edgar Cayce predicted that the beginning of the New Age would coincide with a pole shift.
In this NOVA show, scientists explained: “2,000 miles beneath our feet is the Earth’s molten core. Here a vast ocean of liquid iron generates an invisible force, the Earth’s magnetic field. It’s what makes our compasses point north. But it does a lot more: it helps to keep the Earth a living planet. Our neighbors, Venus and Mars, have only weak magnetic fields, which means they’re unprotected from the deadly radiation sweeping through the solar system. The Earth, on the other hand, exists within a vast magnetic cocoon, a force-field that for billions of years has sheltered us on our journey through space.”
But now scientists have made a startling discovery: it seems there’s a storm brewing deep within the Earth, a storm that is weakening our vital magnetic shield. Peter Olson at Johns Hopkins University explained that “the Earth’s magnetic field has been our protector for millennia, and now, it appears, it’s about to go away.”
Cayce indicated that the pole shift would become apparent in 2000 to 2001. The NOVA show revealed that the shift has indeed begun in the South Atlantic Ocean region, between Africa and South America. Here the north-south polarity is fluctuating back and forth, weakening the shield against solar radiation. During the pole shift process, the planet’s electromagnetic shield will no longer channel the solar winds to our current poles, where few people live. The Northern and Southern lights are a result of radiation moving to the poles. Since radiation causes many problems, the weakening of the shield is a concern. A weak magnetic shield also means that the Northern and Southern lights will be seen all around the planet, even along the equator. It may be a beautiful, wondrous, visionary time for Earth but not a healthy time for many of its inhabitants
Can't be proved. Too many variables. No way to do double blind studies. Ask ten labs what the average mean temperature will be in five years and you will get ten answers. Too many variables we don't even know exist. Only recently have some deep ocean currents been mapped. And even if we did know man caused a change in the climate, there is no way to know what effect any action to reverse that would have. Any action could make the climate warmer. Or much, much cooler. Or have no effect at all. There is no possible way to predict. Not just on a physical basis but on an economic one. Curtail one economic activity and people will do something else. Perhaps something degrades the environment in ways far worse than anything we do today.
Gore and others are lysenkoists. They aren't scientists. They aren't concerned with the climate. They are using junk science and scare tactics to advance a political agenda.
100% coreect you are.
Actually scientist have found that if we rapidly decreased the amount of smog in the earths environement it would increase global warming because smog has a reflective effect on the suns rays.
SUV's actually are protecting the earth....LOL
I knew their was a reason I drove a Tahoe!!!
But I bet you only got one.
If you were an environmentalist like Al Gore and John Kerry everyone in your family would have one. Plus spare ones to keep at your second, third and fourth homes (homes to which you fly on private jets).
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