Global Warming?

[chaim]

That is an incredibly defeatist attitude you have there. Some of us are trying to make a difference. I am hoping you live what you preach and don't have any children!

I don't understand your idea of immigration being the major issue in conservation. It just isn't supported by the numbers or logic. As I pointed out to you earlier the rate of per capita resource consumption increase (~1.5%) is much larger that the rate of population growth. (0.9%) The per capita increase in consumption is a bigger factor on total resource use than population increase, so dealing with consumption would have a bigger impact than controlling population. Personally I think we should do both, but you seem to refuse to acknowledge this.

Secondly and more importantly is the ethical concern of the statement you are making about immigration. Every one on Earth has the same rights to resources as Americans. To deny the rest of the world the standard of living of Americans is selfish and hypocritical in the extreme. The only ethical solution is to lead by example, the US cannot deny our standard of living to others yet continue living the way we do.

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The conservation/enviromental movement has been crushed.

50 years ago when woodlands, fields, and farmlands were threatened with bulldozing, we had lots of people - hunters/outdoorsmen and hippies - complaining.

Today nearly everyone wants our countryside covered over with concrete and people and houses and stores.

Today, with our current immigration policies, 50,000 more people move here every week, week after week. That means that each week we have to bulldoze and cover over with concrete enough land to build a new city with more houses, schools, stores, hopitals, gas stations, restaurants, and highways in order to handle another 50,000 people. Every week we have to destroy thousands of acres, trees, etc. to build a new additional city.

It takes not only a lot of land, but a lot of oil, gas, energy, electricity, and other natural resources to build a new city of 50,000 each week.

..... and it never ends. 50,000 more people last week, 50,000 more people this week. Another 50,000 people next week. NOt only do we have to build a new 50,000 city each week, but these people all buy cars and buy oil and gasoline and drive all over on our roads and order rasberries from Brazil.

And so it goes............... never ending, week after week, month after month, year after year, another 50,000 each week, another 50,000 each week,another 50,000 each week, another 50,000 each week, another 50,000 each week, another 50,000 each week, etc. etc.

 

[susanann]

Every one on Earth has the same rights to resources as Americans. To deny the rest of the world the standard of living of Americans is selfish and hypocritical in the extreme.

Mathematically impossible.

Politically impossible.

Economically impossible.

 

[susanann]

That is an incredibly defeatist attitude you have there.

Its not defeatist - its defeated. We lost.