Global Warming

[Paul S]

Huh... I didn't know all that.

However, since the industrial pollution of today wasn't around then, it couldn't have been due to human activity.

I think there may very well be some major changes if the earth gets warmer. I just don't think there's much humans can do to prevent them. All we can do is deal with the effects when they do occur.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

I tend to think it is a conspiracy theory. But then again, the past 10 years in Minnesota the winters have been pretty wimpy.

Hmmm, am I going to agree with a scientist who believes in the big bang theory? Or am I going to believe in God who created the earth and has "ultimate" control over it. I will take the former with a grain of salt and trust in the latter.

Ya know, and, for the record nothing personal, but that is about the most unchristian attutude I've ever heard. And, for the record, I hear it alot so you're in good company.

God gave us stewardship over this planet and everything on it.

Stewardship, not licence.

We're supposed to take care of things here in the realm, not exploit things, not use things to complete exhaustion, not kill every last species we can find. Care for things.

I think that assuming we can go along willy-nilly ignoring the warning signs of what could be a huge problem because we think God will somehow solve things for us makes us as Christians look like spoiled children.

I also think it acts as if we can force God's hand. "We can't screw up to badly, God will intervene to save His People"

We are children of God, we have responsiblities. We should have the guts to stand up to them, compel them and address them as Children of God.

 

[ukok]

Ya know, and, for the record nothing personal, but that is about the most unchristian attutude I've ever heard. And, for the record, I hear it alot so you're in good company.

God gave us stewardship over this planet and everything on it.

Stewardship, not licence.

We're supposed to take care of things here in the realm, not exploit things, not use things to complete exhaustion, not kill every last species we can find. Care for things.

I think that assuming we can go along willy-nilly ignoring the warning signs of what could be a huge problem because we think God will somehow solve things for us makes us as Christians look like spoiled children.

I also think it acts as if we can force God's hand. "We can't screw up to badly, God will intervene to save His People"

We are children of God, we have responsiblities. We should have the guts to stand up to them, compel them and address them as Children of God.

 

[Wild_Fan4Christ]

Ya know, and, for the record nothing personal, but that is about the most unchristian attutude I've ever heard. And, for the record, I hear it alot so you're in good company.

God gave us stewardship over this planet and everything on it.

Stewardship, not licence.

We're supposed to take care of things here in the realm, not exploit things, not use things to complete exhaustion, not kill every last species we can find. Care for things.

I think that assuming we can go along willy-nilly ignoring the warning signs of what could be a huge problem because we think God will somehow solve things for us makes us as Christians look like spoiled children.

I also think it acts as if we can force God's hand. "We can't screw up to badly, God will intervene to save His People"

We are children of God, we have responsiblities. We should have the guts to stand up to them, compel them and address them as Children of God.

Excuse me, where in my post do you get "un-Christian?" And where do you get that I do not care for the environment being God's steward? I am not being rude, as a lot of people feel this way as you said. But the point being behind it was, Why worry what some scientist has precieved to be a problem when WE as humans have no control over the environment? It is a fear propaganda machine that they have going to get people worried. Yes, I agree we need to take care of things at hand in lowering the greenhouse emmissions that are thought to be the cause of this "jump" in temperatures. Really, 2 or 3 degrees over the past 100 or so years or keeping records is nothing to get worried about as there has been major fluctuations throughout time. Can reduce this percieved threat? Yes, change our lifestyles, what we drive (less SUV's), where we live, where we work so we don't drive as far, etc...

My point....We can do all this and may never see if it helps or not. We are talking about changes over 100's, even thousands of years. In the grand scheme of things, what happened millions of years ago is still shaping our Earth. The environment is out of our hands, green house gasses or not. Can we control the weather? NO, only God can. So how does this make me un-Christian? By believing in a God who created the Earth and has ultimate control over it I am called un-Christian. LOL, I don't see your logic here

Remember, fear mongoring is at hand here. Should I believe something of mans will or God's will? Oh well, I guess I am just un-Christian then so what does it matter what those people think

 

[nyj]

God gave us stewardship over this planet and everything on it.

Stewardship, not licence.

Charlie,

You can have your stewardship. As for me? I'm going to take my Big Bad Converted Military Truck and invade Canada.

 

[stray bullet]

One doesn't need tons of studies, research or data to prove what simple logic dictates-
You can not burn fossil fuels which took millions and millions of years to develop and take millions and million to go back to Co2 into the atmosphere within a few centuries and expect nothing to happen.

It's like letting dust settle on floor of a room for a long time, then kicking it back up in the air and pretending you won't notice.

 

[CeeBee]

I believe it is true.

 

[plainswolf]

I heard from several scientific sources during the time Mt. Pinatubo in the Philipines erupted, they said that one eruption spewed more greenhouse gas into the upper atmosphere than it would take the current industialized world to do in two-hundred years.

I think we need to be very responsible in regards to our emissions, if nothing else look at the pictures of places such as downtown L.A. or any other big city during the 60's-70's and compare them to today. The air quality in them has dramatically improved. However meteorologists and gelologists have shown that the earth has indeed gone through several warming and cooling periods on it's own throughout history.

How much do we contribute to this? who can say for sure, but in any event, practicing at least some responsibility has demonstrated quite beneficial effects on a local air-quality level.

J.M.J.
Mark

 

[stray bullet]

They are probably refering to non-CO2 gases as 'Greenhouse gases', I'm sure eruptions give off more sulfur and other compounds than cars do in a year.
I don't think they give off much CO2 really.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Excuse me, where in my post do you get "un-Christian?" And where do you get that I do not care for the environment being God's steward? I am not being rude, as a lot of people feel this way as you said. But the point being behind it was, Why worry what some scientist has precieved to be a problem when WE as humans have no control over the environment? It is a fear propaganda machine that they have going to get people worried. Yes, I agree we need to take care of things at hand in lowering the greenhouse emmissions that are thought to be the cause of this "jump" in temperatures. Really, 2 or 3 degrees over the past 100 or so years or keeping records is nothing to get worried about as there has been major fluctuations throughout time. Can reduce this percieved threat? Yes, change our lifestyles, what we drive (less SUV's), where we live, where we work so we don't drive as far, etc...

My point....We can do all this and may never see if it helps or not. We are talking about changes over 100's, even thousands of years. In the grand scheme of things, what happened millions of years ago is still shaping our Earth. The environment is out of our hands, green house gasses or not. Can we control the weather? NO, only God can. So how does this make me un-Christian? By believing in a God who created the Earth and has ultimate control over it I am called un-Christian. LOL, I don't see your logic here

Remember, fear mongoring is at hand here. Should I believe something of mans will or God's will? Oh well, I guess I am just un-Christian then so what does it matter what those people think

You seem to argue that we should just do what we do and that ulimtately it doesn't matter. We can't do anything the environment so just continue spilling out greenhouse gases. The temperture is going up, maybe because of factors out of our control, but so what ? Just let it happen.

Look, lets assume for the sake to arguement that the temperture increase is not caused in anyway by human activites.

Guess what. The temp is still going up. We can ignore it and the effects of this temp increase can have severe effects on the human population.

Or we can note the change and take some actions to help to lessen the effects and spare the human population some misery.

You seem to think that all the talk of adverse effects of global warming is fearmongering and that God's will ensure that everything is ok.

I used to be a nose guard in prep school and the coach always had us pray before a game. I asked him once if the prayer helped. He said, "Yes it will, as long as you knock the center on his back."

We have to hold up our end in this. No one in America at least seem to what to. I don't get it but there it is.

And I do think it is unchristian not to want to aid and improve a bad situation. Christians are not passive people. Christians are command by Christ to have an effect on the world around them.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Charlie,

You can have your stewardship. As for me? I'm going to take my Big Bad Converted Military Truck and invade Canada.

Go for it.

Watch out for Monties.

 

[Paul S]

Look, lets assume for the sake to arguement that the temperture increase is not caused in anyway by human activites.

Guess what. The temp is still going up. We can ignore it and the effects of this temp increase can have severe effects on the human population.

Or we can note the change and take some actions to help to lessen the effects and spare the human population some misery.

We're not sure what the effects will be. But, assuming there will be bad effects, yes, we should try to lessen them and help people who live in areas which will be affected. However, if the change is due to natural causes, reducing greenhouse gases to 1990 levels won't help. We also shouldn't spend tens or hundreds of billions of dollars on something we're not that sure about - money is a limited resource just like coal or water or trees.

 

[Wild_Fan4Christ]

You seem to argue that we should just do what we do and that ulimtately it doesn't matter. We can't do anything the environment so just continue spilling out greenhouse gases. The temperture is going up, maybe because of factors out of our control, but so what ? Just let it happen.


Look, lets assume for the sake to arguement that the temperture increase is not caused in anyway by human activites.

Guess what. The temp is still going up. We can ignore it and the effects of this temp increase can have severe effects on the human population.

Or we can note the change and take some actions to help to lessen the effects and spare the human population some misery.

You seem to think that all the talk of adverse effects of global warming is fearmongering and that God's will ensure that everything is ok.

I used to be a nose guard in prep school and the coach always had us pray before a game. I asked him once if the prayer helped. He said, "Yes it will, as long as you knock the center on his back."

We have to hold up our end in this. No one in America at least seem to what to. I don't get it but there it is.

And I do think it is unchristian not to want to aid and improve a bad situation. Christians are not passive people. Christians are command by Christ to have an effect on the world around them.

Did you not read my post? If you would have you would notice that it would be nice for us to "change our lifestyles, drive smaller cars not big suv's which emit a lot of these greenhouse gasses, etc..."

Tell me how that is not aiding and improving a bad situation?



You know what, never mind. It seems to me that you are just accusing me of being "un-Christian" because of my view on this. I am sorry but YOU started this argument, not me.


And I am ending it here, as I am done with this discussion since I am "un-Christian."

 

[D'Ann]

Charlie,

You can have your stewardship. As for me? I'm going to take my Big Bad Converted Military Truck and invade Canada.

Maybe I'll do the same. Oh Canada, Oh Canada... We'll going to invade you!!!! LOL Just Kiddin.

God's Peace

D'Ann

 

[D'Ann]

Excuse me, where in my post do you get "un-Christian?" And where do you get that I do not care for the environment being God's steward? I am not being rude, as a lot of people feel this way as you said. But the point being behind it was, Why worry what some scientist has precieved to be a problem when WE as humans have no control over the environment? It is a fear propaganda machine that they have going to get people worried. Yes, I agree we need to take care of things at hand in lowering the greenhouse emmissions that are thought to be the cause of this "jump" in temperatures. Really, 2 or 3 degrees over the past 100 or so years or keeping records is nothing to get worried about as there has been major fluctuations throughout time. Can reduce this percieved threat? Yes, change our lifestyles, what we drive (less SUV's), where we live, where we work so we don't drive as far, etc...

My point....We can do all this and may never see if it helps or not. We are talking about changes over 100's, even thousands of years. In the grand scheme of things, what happened millions of years ago is still shaping our Earth. The environment is out of our hands, green house gasses or not. Can we control the weather? NO, only God can. So how does this make me un-Christian? By believing in a God who created the Earth and has ultimate control over it I am called un-Christian. LOL, I don't see your logic here

Remember, fear mongoring is at hand here. Should I believe something of mans will or God's will? Oh well, I guess I am just un-Christian then so what does it matter what those people think

You are very much a good Christian. Your points are correct IMHO too. I keep hearing about the global warming and then I have heard about the "Ice" age that is coming... I keep wondering which is it? Global warming or Ice Age... Gee, I wish these scientists would get together and vote or something and stop trying to use scare tactics through propaganda.

If there is a warming up or an ice age, yes, we can do what we can to protect the environment, protect the future for our children, protect what ever else needs protection. Yes, we are stewards here and yes we are God's children and with being a child of God, we do have responsibilities.

In saying all of this, we need to also acknowledge that we and the earth are truly in God's hands especially regarding what tomorrow may bring. We cannot predict the future. Like Paul said, we do not know what is happening in the ocean. Also, maybe, what could be causing the temporary (IMHO) global warm up is the many volcanoe eruptions that have occurred within the last ten years.

So, yes, we need to pray and do what is necessary, but at the same time, we also need to have faith and trust in our heavenly Father that he will take care of us. IOWs, if it is His will that the world dissolves or blows up or a meteor hits us in approx. 2012,... then so be it. It is all in God's hands.

Although, if the Scientists can come up with a plan to prevent a major catastrophy... that would be great too. Like blowing the meteor away from Earth...

God's Peace,

D'Ann

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I came across this article today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/sci_nat_how_the_world_is_changing/html/1.stm

What's your feeling on global warming. I have heard so many scientists that say it's real, but then I"ve also heard so many that say it's fake. I really don't know what to think...

It is real, and unfortunately it became a political topic, with one side denying it and the other side trying to use it for their benefit.

This will have real effects on our planet due to our sin of neglecting our responsibility over the earth.

My wife is really into this topic and could explain much better than myself.

 

[D'Ann]

It is real, and unfortunately it became a political topic, with one side denying it and the other side trying to use it for their benefit.

This will have real effects on our planet due to our sin of neglecting our responsibility over the earth.

My wife is really into this topic and could explain much better than myself.

That would be nice if she could explain it. I know enough to get myself in trouble... I like learning, but I'm not big on people accusing others of being "un-Christian".

D'Ann

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

That would be nice if she could explain it. I know enough to get myself in trouble... I like learning, but I'm not big on people accusing others of being "un-Christian".

D'Ann

She could explain it, but she detests online forums...I should probably take her lead on that, but I'm a glutton for punishment apparently.

 

[D'Ann]

She could explain it, but she detests online forums...I should probably take her lead on that, but I'm a glutton for punishment apparently.

I guess we all are... LOL

D'Ann

 

[nyj]

Maybe I'll do the same. Oh Canada, Oh Canada... We'll going to invade you!!!! LOL Just Kiddin.

You better be kiddin... otherwise I'd tell you to go find your own country. I already called dibs on Canada.