Global warming and the end

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Generally speaking, the world laughs at the American's laughing at climate science.

When you can respond to the data with actual data, and more adult thinking about these matters, I'll bother to respond with a real post. Right now I'm just left feeling vaguely nauseated at the ridiculous state of much of American Charismatic Christianity, buying into conspiracy theories and climate denialism like little children believing weird whispers in the playground. Grow up, and learn to read peer-reviewed science.

What exactly is the point of buying into GW anyways?

Are you claiming it has an effect on the earth somehow?? Can you show me something that has happened as a result of GW?? Or are you just pushing the theory that the earth is .00034 degrees warmer than it was a hundred years ago?

Every year it gets hot, and cold. The last three years have seen some of the coldest, but you guys are always claiming that its getting warmer..

You dont believe God controls the weather, and have since turned to science for your answers.. Why?

 

[eclipsenow]

What exactly is the point of buying into GW anyways?

Are you claiming it has an effect on the earth somehow?? Can you show me something that has happened as a result of GW?? Or are you just pushing the theory that the earth is .00034 degrees warmer than it was a hundred years ago?

Every year it gets hot, and cold. The last three years have seen some of the coldest, but you guys are always claiming that its getting warmer..

You dont believe God controls the weather, and have since turned to science for your answers.. Why?

Dude, again you're being slippery.

1. You just don't want to address the DATA from TENS of THOUSANDS of papers showing the planet has warmed,
2. or the physics behind it demonstrable in any good lab that shows what CO2 does,
3. or the fact that CO2 is not good 'plant food' (a myth started by a republican congressman; so STOP playing semantic games blaming me for the way that myth is expressed as I just respond to the common parlance about it! The fact that it is NOT good for many of the plants we depend on)
4. Try actually reading the posts I put up before you respond. I told you what the science says global warming will do to our children and grandchildren. If you had an ounce of Christain compassion, you'd care about this. Also, burning coal kills about a million people worldwide each year, and costs us so much in health spending we could double the cost of coal fired electricity and that would just about cover the REAL cost of this disgusting power source.
5. God is not only in control of the weather, but of knives and daggers. Yet He still lets us kill each other with them! (Are we getting it yet? )

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Dude, again you're being slippery.

1. You just don't want to address the DATA from TENS of THOUSANDS of papers showing the planet has warmed,
2. or the physics behind it demonstrable in any good lab that shows what CO2 does,
3. or the fact that CO2 is not good 'plant food' (a myth started by a republican congressman; so STOP playing semantic games blaming me for the way that myth is expressed as I just respond to the common parlance about it! The fact that it is NOT good for many of the plants we depend on)
4. Try actually reading the posts I put up before you respond. I told you what the science says global warming will do to our children and grandchildren. If you had an ounce of Christain compassion, you'd care about this. Also, burning coal kills about a million people worldwide each year, and costs us so much in health spending we could double the cost of coal fired electricity and that would just about cover the REAL cost of this disgusting power source.
5. God is not only in control of the weather, but of knives and daggers. Yet He still lets us kill each other with them! (Are we getting it yet? )

I tell you what, Ill forgo all that I know and let you personally educate me on global warming.

May I have a statement of faith first?

 

[eclipsenow]

I tell you what, Ill forgo all that I know and let you personally educate me on global warming.

May I have a statement of faith first?

Why? How is it relevant? I'm your standard Protestant Christian, and pretty much agree with Calvin's TULIP or the Westminster Confession or the 39 Articles of the Anglican Church and all that. Martin Luther's 4 Sola's are also important to me. That about covers it.

But, given your history on this thread so far, I'm guessing this is just another diversion. You've just blurted out all these 'opinions' and have absolutely nothing to come back at the hard DATA I'm supplying, or even the summaries of the data.

For example, you said "Co2 is not a toxin, its vital for life.. As co2 concentrations combine with the other atmospheric gases to create a suitable environment for plants to thrive in, as well as for humans to breath.."

It was almost as if you were trying to argue that more CO2 wouldn't hurt plants, or mentioned it because you've no doubt heard the denialist meme condensed down as "CO2 is plant food!" I proved that it was NOT beneficial to some of our more important crops. You replied by diverting this list from the main subject and started lecturing me that CO2 is not 'plant food'. Oh the irony! I was again just replying to the MOST COMMON format of the Denialist meme you were quoting!

Here's how that meme got started in American politics. Please, go spank your Denialist brothers for saying 'Plant food!'
http://climatecrocks.com/2010/08/16/the-co2-is-plant-food-crock/

And while your at it, tell them off for denying the basic laws of physics as well, such as spreading around outright LIES that climatologists haven't taken into account CO2's logarithmic decline! (You haven't replied to that one substantively yet either).

 

[eclipsenow]

When I told a friend about your argument about "God control's the weather, therefore there is no such thing as global warming", he responded:

"God is in control of my fate, so I do not need to check for oncoming cars when crossing the road as I will be OK and it is unbiblical to check the road is clear before crossing."

 

[eclipsenow]

I tell you what, Ill forgo all that I know and let you personally educate me on global warming.

May I have a statement of faith first?

You OK CP? You've gone quiet.

 

[SG9]

You OK CP? You've gone quiet.

Do you suppose that CP might have been banned? I noticed the quietness, too.

 

[eclipsenow]

Do you suppose that CP might have been banned? I noticed the quietness, too.

No, I was more concerned about something going wrong in his personal life. Was he misbehaving in other forums? I noticed some leaps of logic that didn't quite work and some unusually enthusiastic and ambitious projects for one so new to being a Christian, but nothing ban-worthy. Was something else going on in other threads?

 

[SG9]

No, I was more concerned about something going wrong in his personal life. Was he misbehaving in other forums? I noticed some leaps of logic that didn't quite work and some unusually enthusiastic and ambitious projects for one so new to being a Christian, but nothing ban-worthy. Was something else going on in other threads?

I guess that you covered it fairly well. You might be right. Or perhaps, his 'puter broke? Thanks

 

[eclipsenow]

I wonder how many people here have received anti-science brainwashing without even realising it?

Conservative groups may have spent up to $1bn a year on the effort to deny science and oppose action on climate change, according to the first extensive study into the anatomy of the anti-climate effort.

The anti-climate effort has been largely underwritten by conservative billionaires, often working through secretive funding networks. They have displaced corporations as the prime supporters of 91 think tanks, advocacy groups and industry associations which have worked to block action on climate change. Such financial support has hardened conservative opposition to climate policy, ultimately dooming any chances of action from Congress to cut greenhouse gas emissions that are warming the planet, the study found.

“I call it the climate-change counter movement,” said the author of the study, Drexel University sociologist Robert Brulle. “It is not just a couple of rogue individuals doing this. This is a large-scale political effort.”

Conservative groups spend up to $1bn a year to fight action on climate change | Environment | theguardian.com

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

I wonder how many people here have received anti-science brainwashing without even realising it?

The weather has been weird lately.

Id say global warming is just another result of mans sins. Im not too awful enamored by science, never have been really but it does give us the human perspective into explaining whats going on. Ultimately, Id offer these verses regarding "science".

1Ti_6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Blessings from our Lord

Cheers

 

[eclipsenow]

The weather has been weird lately.

Id say global warming is just another result of mans sins. Im not too awful enamored by science, never have been really but it does give us the human perspective into explaining whats going on. Ultimately, Id offer these verses regarding "science".

1Ti_6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Blessings from our Lord

Cheers

Please, avoid the KJV, it's based on rubbish documents and makes the user sound camp and silly. There's nothing 'holieth' about using 'eth' and yea all the time!

1 Timothy 6:20-21
New International Version (NIV)
20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith.

Also, remember Paul was most probably warning against gnostic and other worldly philosophies, not against mathematics and true science. True science that is actually just science, and not 'science-ism', does not threaten Christianity in any way. See "Unnatural Enemies" by Dr Kirsten Birkett (a personal friend of mine) or "God's undertaker", another classic read asking whether science has disproven God.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Please, avoid the KJV, it's based on rubbish documents and makes the user sound camp and silly. There's nothing 'holieth' about using 'eth' and yea all the time!

You say WOT Mate?

Rubbish?

Bit cheeky eh?

You want the NKJV? Matters not, you missed the point all together.

20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge—

Romans 16
17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.

Science has nothing to do with explaining God, but God has everything to do with explaining science.

 

[eclipsenow]

You say WOT Mate?

Rubbish?

Well, maybe I was pushing the point a little, but there are much better manuscripts now.

(Why on earth would you use the KJV when it is based on 6 manuscripts from the 12th century, when modern versions are based on a thousand times as many manuscripts from a thousand years earlier? Besides all that, it sounds camp and confirms us Christians as weird to outsiders. Putting on a KJV accent is the FIRST thing Christians do when they want to make fun of us. Why you choose to confirm their suspicions is beyond me.)
Why Does the King James Bible Have Some Different Verses Than Modern Translations? – Justin Taylor

You want the NKJV? Matters not, you missed the point all together.

20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge—

Romans 16
17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.

Science has nothing to do with explaining God, but God has everything to do with explaining science.

No, I got the point perfectly, which is that you don't know how to apply these verses. Science DOES NOT explain God, but the bible does. The bible DOES NOT explain climate science, or the internet, or microwave ovens, or microbiology and how vaccines work, but SCIENCE DOES. You're just lazily assuming that climate science is somehow a false gospel and spanking it with these verses. But you haven't proved how global warming contradicts the doctrines being discussed here. You've just lazily assumed it. You have more work to do to make your case. Both these verses and climate science remain.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Well, maybe I was pushing the point a little, but there are much better manuscripts now.

(Why on earth would you use the KJV when it is based on 6 manuscripts from the 12th century, when modern versions are based on a thousand times as many manuscripts from a thousand years earlier? Besides all that, it sounds camp and confirms us Christians as weird to outsiders. Putting on a KJV accent is the FIRST thing Christians do when they want to make fun of us. Why you choose to confirm their suspicions is beyond me.)
Why Does the King James Bible Have Some Different Verses Than Modern Translations? – Justin Taylor



No, I got the point perfectly, which is that you don't know how to apply these verses. Science DOES NOT explain God, but the bible does. The bible DOES NOT explain climate science, or the internet, or microwave ovens, or microbiology and how vaccines work, but SCIENCE DOES. You're just lazily assuming that climate science is somehow a false gospel and spanking it with these verses. But you haven't proved how global warming contradicts the doctrines being discussed here. You've just lazily assumed it. You have more work to do to make your case. Both these verses and climate science remain.

Pretty sure Christ wouldn't want me going back and forth with you, and I'm not sure why you are pushing climate change in a forum for prophecy anyways.

Do you have some form of prophecy to relate to the matter? Perhaps there's a method to your thinking I'm not aware of?

 

[eclipsenow]

I wanted to discuss the relationship between our eschatological hopes and a compassionate, ethical position on climate change. That is, adopting an escapist eschatology is not actually a fully biblical worldview position to take to avoid our climate responsibilities.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

I wanted to discuss the relationship between our eschatological hopes and a compassionate, ethical position on climate change.

You are assuming Christians care about the climate change and the effects it will have on our future.

However, our Lord Jesus Christ tells us exactly how to "worry" about the future, by literally telling us to NOT WORRY about it.

This is in the Gospel.

Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

That is, adopting an escapist eschatology is not actually a fully biblical worldview position to take to avoid our climate responsibilities.

This is your assertion, and has nothing to do with mine, or many other Christians "climate responsibilities". We live in a fallen world, and the least of our issues are climate related.

Id love to discuss the "why" but the weather might be more important to you than it is to me.

Cheers

 

[eclipsenow]

Pretty sure Christ wouldn't want me going back and forth with you

I'm pretty sure that the Lord would want you to share well thought out biblical reasons for not accepting a scientific problem, but also pretty sure he wouldn't want you to engage in cheap throw away lines and character attacks. If the previous post is all you can come up with, and you use verses about comforting personal anxiety to annihilate other verses about loving your neighbour and caring for the poor (the category climate change falls into), then maybe you are right, and the Lord doesn't actually want you 'going back and forth' with me. You're indulging in both bad handling of the scriptures and character attacks too frequently. When-eth you're-eth in-eth a-eth hole-eth, stoppeth diggingeth.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

I'm pretty sure that the Lord would want you to share well thought out biblical reasons for not accepting a scientific problem, but also pretty sure he wouldn't want you to engage in cheap throw away lines and character attacks. If the previous post is all you can come up with, and you use verses about comforting personal anxiety to annihilate other verses about loving your neighbour and caring for the poor (the category climate change falls into), then maybe you are right, and the Lord doesn't actually want you 'going back and forth' with me. You're indulging in both bad handling of the scriptures and character attacks too frequently. When-eth you're-eth in-eth a-eth hole-eth, stoppeth diggingeth.

your posts dont make any sense mate.

Ill just capitalize on the ignore function, and leave you to your own anxiety about the weather.

Blessing from our Lord

Cheers

 

[eclipsenow]

your posts dont make any sense mate.

Ill just capitalize on the ignore function, and leave you to your own anxiety about the weather.

Blessing from our Lord

Cheers

I'll write it in point form for you:
1. You quoted the 'do not worry about tomorrow' verse, which is about our personal lot in life.
2. Show me how this undoes all the verses Jesus shares where we ARE to worry, or at least care, about the lot of our neighbour? In other words, don't worry, but DO love your neighbour. Loving your neighbour and future generations is the ethic we are to use when approaching the subject of global warming.
3. Practical example: If you found a local business was dumping poison in the street and children were getting sick, would you REALLY just tell them "Don't worry about tomorrow!"? Doesn't Christian love DEMAND that you, instead, DO SOMETHING to stop this crime?