Global warming and the end

[Biblewriter]

I think it's sadder watching how deceitful the Christians in this particular thread have become, promoting a lying nutter who writes way outside the field he's qualified in, and then all the Christians backslap each other for their consensual deception. Now that really IS sad. What's become of the American church? You're all suckers for denialists whispering things to itching ears.

And you, who have, in this very thread, conclusively proved that you do not understand even the most elementary principles of science, continue to swollow, hook, line, and sinker, the lies being continually published by these pseudo-scientists.

I, as a certified, proven, and highly experienced scientist, have repeatedly warned you that this is pseudo-science. And you have chosen to ignore the warning. You know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I am far from alone in my warning. But you have chosen to believe the lies, because you love them.

You and the liars continue to pretend that the "deniers" are based on monied interests. But you ignore the obvious fact that the liars get their entire incomes from tax money that they know will dry up if people do not buy into their false predictions. So they continue to churn out their lies, expecting the public to continue to believe such nonsense as that the last winter was the warmest in history, even though the unusual cold was not only throughout North America, but in places as far away from there as Japan, India, and Egypt, that is, all around the world.

 

[Interplanner]

The geologist I heard on Limbaugh had enough qualification and passed it on: there are 4 natural C02 gases on earth 'ever since the watermelon' that are not in the models. You don't have to specialize on climate to see the significance of that.

And we haven't even talked about Roger Moore...

 

[Shocker]

And you, who have, in this very thread, conclusively proved that you do not understand even the most elementary principles of science, continue to swollow, hook, line, and sinker, the lies being continually published by these pseudo-scientists.

I, as a certified, proven, and highly experienced scientist, have repeatedly warned you that this is pseudo-science. And you have chosen to ignore the warning. You know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I am far from alone in my warning. But you have chosen to believe the lies, because you love them.

You and the liars continue to pretend that the "deniers" are based on monied interests. But you ignore the obvious fact that the liars get their entire incomes from tax money that they know will dry up if people do not buy into their false predictions. So they continue to churn out their lies, expecting the public to continue to believe such nonsense as that the last winter was the warmest in history, even though the unusual cold was not only throughout North America, but in places as far away from there as Japan, India, and Egypt, that is, all around the world.

Apparently the mouths of witnesses in his brothers aren't enough to dissuade him from this falsity.

 

[Biblewriter]

The geologist I heard on Limbaugh had enough qualification and passed it on: there are 4 natural C02 gases on earth 'ever since the watermelon' that are not in the models. You don't have to specialize on climate to see the significance of that.

And we haven't even talked about Roger Moore...

The truth is, that although CO2 is indeed a greenhouse gas, its influence is small compared to that of H2O in the atmsophere.

The utter failure of even one of the computerized "climate models" to even come close in its predictions should be enough evidence for any thinking person. If I remember correctly the range of their errors was approximately from 100% to 500% above the temperature increase was allegedly actually observed.

And even that increase was only their own alleged "data." For like numerous others, have posted proof that this date has been manipulated in ways that can best be explained as willful fraud. But I have posted it right here in this thread.

 

[Interplanner]

Good stuff, BW! Hope you can get a report in somewhere, some journal, on a topic like 'my recollection of the global cooling scare of the 70s.' The young people need your years! Try AMERICAN THINKER. I'll find you others if you want. There is a pastor friend near Seattle who could use the 'ammo.'

 

[eclipsenow]

Genesis 8:22 "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."

If you're interpreting that to be a universal guarantee that all crops everywhere will be successful, and that there will be no drift of areas across the planet where crops will cease being successful and others will not, then you've made Genesis contradict itself. For what do we read just a few chapters later? God warning Joseph that a huge, civilisation wide drought and famine was coming. The crops WOULD and DID fail. And continue to today. You need to rethink how you're using that verse: because it's appalling interpretation from within Genesis itself, let alone with everything else we know about God handing us over to the consequences of our sin. (Romans 1)

 

[n2thelight]

If you're interpreting that to be a universal guarantee that all crops everywhere will be successful, and that there will be no drift of areas across the planet where crops will cease being successful and others will not, then you've made Genesis contradict itself. For what do we read just a few chapters later? God warning Joseph that a huge, civilisation wide drought and famine was coming. The crops WOULD and DID fail. And continue to today. You need to rethink how you're using that verse: because it's appalling interpretation from within Genesis itself, let alone with everything else we know about God handing us over to the consequences of our sin. (Romans 1)

There's nothing new under the sun,I'll just leave it at that....Global warming dos'nt worry me not one bit,the laws that come along with this hoax is what one should watch out for........

 

[eclipsenow]

There's nothing new under the sun,I'll just leave it at that....Global warming dos'nt worry me not one bit,the laws that come along with this hoax is what one should watch out for........

That's right: human sin is not a new thing, nor is the uncharitable, inequitable, downright unfair attitude many Christians here have picked up regarding their poorer neighbours, sadly. Love your neighbour: except when it comes to climate change? Sorry pal, I don't see you wiggling your way out of this one that easily.

 

[Shocker]

Guys.

I have a confession.

I used an aerosol can today, and I didn't feel bad about it.

 

[eclipsenow]

I, as a certified, proven, and highly experienced scientist, have repeatedly warned you that this is pseudo-science.

• You're not a climate scientist
• You believe Terra Australis was a map of Antarctica when it cleary shows the top of Australia
• You're a creationist
• You've submitted meaningless random streams of numbers without verifying where they came from
• You've submitted that you believe in a global conspiracy of all climate scientists across the planet, including all your Christian brothers and sisters in climate science, and slandered all their characters as being liars.
• This to me is the behaviour of the tin-foil hat brigade.

 

[n2thelight]

That's right: human sin is not a new thing, nor is the uncharitable, inequitable, downright unfair attitude many Christians here have picked up regarding their poorer neighbours, sadly. Love your neighbour: except when it comes to climate change? Sorry pal, I don't see you wiggling your way out of this one that easily.

Really,Im not trying wiggle out of anything.....Love thy neighbor has nothing whatsoever to do with love thy neighbor...The United States alone,has enough food to feed the entire world,yet people are hungry....You call it what you want,I call it a hoax...

Agenda 21

In 1992 the federal government, by executive decree, made the core of every cabinet agency's mission the implementation of Agenda 21 Sustainable Development. Global Warming is the global crises used to restructure human life so as to implement world governance under the Agenda 21 action plan. Other crises are prepped in the event that Global Warming theory becomes exposed. Agenda 21 serves the globalist movement with its policy cornerstones: abolition of private property, education of the youth for global citizenship, and the utilization of technological advance for the purpose of monitoring and controlling human action.

Michael Shaw of FreedomAdvocates.org says, "Agenda 21 is the action plan that calls for the establishment of world government in accordance with principals that negate the political recognition of an individual's unalienable rights. This alone accounts for much of the turmoil we see today. Our future under Agenda 21 is bleak as power becomes centralized."

Please read the below article and get back to me,as you don't have a clue as to what's going on

Playing the Global Warming Card

I watched a special where in Africa,hospitals can't use electricity because of this Global warming hoax,and you come at me with love thy neighbor,please wake up!!!!.....

 

[eclipsenow]

Guys.

I have a confession.

I used an aerosol can today, and I didn't feel bad about it.

That's good, because there's no reason to feel bad about it. CFC's were made illegal a long time ago when the real, peer-reviewed science analysed what CFC's were doing to the Ozone layer. Anyone who knows anything about science or the environment knows this. The government made rules, the marketplace responded without falling into communism or anarchy, and guess what? You can still use propellant out of a can. Amazing.

Also amazing is the fact that nuclear power and a combination of other alternative fuels can replace all the coal, oil, and gas we use. This would save 7 million lives a year by cleaning up air pollution, let alone the long term damage climate change will cause. So here's the thing: is 7 million lives a year, or a small nation a year, worth saving? Is it worth switching to alternative energy just for that reason alone? I think so! Plus the fact that oil and gas and coal will run out one day. But 7 million lives? And this is just FUNNY to you?

That Christians can be GLIB and sarcastic and so dismissive of something that kills 7 million people a year blows my mind! What else do you find funny? Aids? Poverty? Kids dying of starvation? All hilarious no doubt?

James 2

14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

 

[eclipsenow]

Really,Im not trying wiggle out of anything.....Love thy neighbor has nothing whatsoever to do with love thy neighbor...The United States alone,has enough food to feed the entire world,yet people are hungry....You call it what you want,I call it a hoax...

Agenda 21

In 1992 the federal government, by executive decree, made the core of every cabinet agency's mission the implementation of Agenda 21 Sustainable Development. Global Warming is the global crises used to restructure human life so as to implement world governance under the Agenda 21 action plan. Other crises are prepped in the event that Global Warming theory becomes exposed. Agenda 21 serves the globalist movement with its policy cornerstones: abolition of private property, education of the youth for global citizenship, and the utilization of technological advance for the purpose of monitoring and controlling human action.

Michael Shaw of FreedomAdvocates.org says, "Agenda 21 is the action plan that calls for the establishment of world government in accordance with principals that negate the political recognition of an individual's unalienable rights. This alone accounts for much of the turmoil we see today. Our future under Agenda 21 is bleak as power becomes centralized."

Please read the below article and get back to me,as you don't have a clue as to what's going on

Playing the Global Warming Card

I watched a special where in Africa,hospitals can't use electricity because of this Global warming hoax,and you come at me with love thy neighbor,please wake up!!!!.....

1. So you admit that Genesis verse doesn't disprove global warming on the grounds of God's promise to Noah because pretty soon after in the same book we find Joseph managing a super-wide regional famine? Good!

2. (PS: Just quietly: you might want to check how much food the USA actually grows before embarrassing yourself in public with fantastical claims like yours above.)

3. Nuclear power and renewables can provide ALL the power we need. Just 5% less budget to the world's military would provide everyone on earth with all the food, freshwater, education, medicine, and family planning they need.

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I watched a special where in Africa,hospitals can't use electricity because of this Global warming hoax,and you come at me with love thy neighbor,please wake up!!!!.....

Denialists really need to work out which conspiracy theory they believe in.

YouTube – Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?.
This is hilarious! As the Youtube sidebar states (written by a Denialista),

On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation in St. Paul, MN on the subject of global warming. In this 4-minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans regarding the United Nations Climate Change Treaty that is scheduled to be signed in Copenhagen in December 2009.
There has been considerable debate raised about Monckton’s conclusion that the Copenhagen Treaty would cede US sovereignty. His comments appear to be based upon his interpretation of the The Supremacy Clause in the US Constitution (Article VI, paragraph 2). This clause establishes the Constitution, Federal Statutes, and U.S. TREATIES as the supreme law of the land. Concerns have been raised in the past that a particularly ambitious treaty may supersede the US Constitution. In the 1950s, a constitutional amendment, known as the Bricker Amendment, was proposed in response to such fears, but it failed to pass. You can read more about the Bricker Amendment in a 1953 Time Magazine article…
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All I can say is GO FOR IT OBAMA! Maybe we’ll end up doing something about climate change AND helping generate clean energy industries, employment, and development in the 3rd world, lifting people out of poverty. This would also be a very compassionate, evenChristian, policy to accept.
Once again we see the inconsistency, even stupidity of the Denialist movement (and general anti-environmental Right) by previously spreading that other great alarmist propaganda myth: that us greenies are preventing development in the 3rd world by banning their access to coal. As the “Great Global Warming Swindle” states (under the link called “Killing the African dream of development”)

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  [*]Author and economist James Shikwati says in the programme that environmentalists campaign against Africa using its fossil fuels: “there’s somebody keen to kill the African dream. And the African dream is to develop.” He describes renewable power as “luxurious experimentation” that might work for rich countries but will never work for Africa: “I don’t see how a solar panel is going to power a steel industry … We are being told, ‘Don’t touch your resources. Don’t touch your oil. Don’t touch your coal.’ That is suicide.”
  [*]An example is given in the film of a Kenyan health clinic which is powered by two solar panels which do not provide enough electricity for both the medical refrigerator and the lights at the same time. The programme describes the idea of restricting the world’s poorest people to alternative energy sources as “the most morally repugnant aspect of the Global Warming campaign.”
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Now Monckton is publicly warning against sending TOO MUCH money to the 3rd world (to help pay for the development of clean energy: ie: development). We are apparently agreeing to sending so much money that he has to call it Communism! And what might it be buying? Clean renewable energy offering lots of jobs to the 3rd world? A high-tech nuclear renaissance of GenIV reactors that could ‘burn’ today’s nuclear waste and apparently meet the whole world’s energy needs for base-load power for the next 700 years? As Scientific American states about the fear of world-communist government:

If that’s the fear, perhaps someone can explain why the preferred solution to climate change offered by former proponents of inaction is nuclear power. Has there ever been a nuclear reactor built anywhere in the world that didn’t rely on government to get it done? Sounds like socialism, doesn’t it? Hello France? USSR? USA?
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All I can venture is that when intelligent but paranoid people try to explain away a scientific consensus they end up entering the conspiracy fantasy worlds akin to Dan Brown, or is that Scientology? (winks at reader). Some of these conspiracy theories are so far out there that I wonder about the mental health of those promoting them. What is it actually like to walk around convinced that the scientific consensus is wrong, wrong, wrong! and that everyone promoting global warming is in on some worldwide act? It must be incredibly upsetting.
So I wonder about their mental health: or is that the health of their pocket books? (winks again). I mean, none of these sceptics would sit on the boards of fossil fuel energy companies would they, or backed by so called ‘think tanks’ that are also funded by Big Oil or King Coal? But that is worth a whole new summary page article.
For now, just remember that the flagship Denialist movie “The Great Global Warming Swindle” warned us against the humanitarian catastrophe that would follow from the massive worldwide conspiracy to stifle development in Africa. Now the warning is against a massive worldwide conspiracy to massively accelerate development in all 3rd world nations by a world communist government?
When will these buffoons make up their minds?

 

[eclipsenow]

So, has anyone here who backslapped Shocker and congratulated him on quoting Tim Ball bothered to confirm whether Tim is actually a qualified climatologist: or are you all that gullible to be taken in by a tinfoil-hat wearing internet conspiracy theory?

 

[n2thelight]

1. So you admit that Genesis verse doesn't disprove global warming on the grounds of God's promise to Noah because pretty soon after in the same book we find Joseph managing a super-wide regional famine? Good!

2. (PS: Just quietly: you might want to check how much food the USA actually grows before embarrassing yourself in public with fantastical claims like yours above.)

3. Nuclear power and renewables can provide ALL the power we need. Just 5% less budget to the world's military would provide everyone on earth with all the food, freshwater, education, medicine, and family planning they need.

1-The Genesis verse proves that the earth will always get warm and cold

2-You might want to check out how much food farmers in America are allowed to grow

3-That can be done without any cuts

Its still a hoax the way I see it,plain and simple,but we are all entitled and you believe otherwise,and respect your opinion......

Bottom line,this world won't get right until the return of Christ....

King James Bible
For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

And please don't take that verse to mean Im justifying not feeding the poor,because as Iv said,if man wanted to feed the poor and hungry ,he could...........

 

[Biblewriter]

• You're not a climate scientist
• You believe Terra Australis was a map of Antarctica when it cleary shows the top of Australia
• You're a creationist
• You've submitted meaningless random streams of numbers without verifying where they came from
• You've submitted that you believe in a global conspiracy of all climate scientists across the planet, including all your Christian brothers and sisters in climate science, and slandered all their characters as being liars.
• This to me is the behaviour of the tin-foil hat brigade.

When any real scientists sees clearly inaccurate "scientific" statements, he knows he is looking at a con job, regardless of the field of his particular expertise. No scientific discipline can ignore the basic principles. But these basic principles have been repeatedly either completely ignored or glossed over by those who style themselves "climate scientists." But you, who do not even understand elementary science, cannot see these things.

Your claim that the ancient maps show Australia is nothing short of ludicrous. The shape corresponds very closely to Antarctica, and only very approximately to Australia. The man who drew the map had the scale of this continent grossly wrong, so he had to leave out the Antarctic Penninusla, evidently concluding that it was a distorted representation of the southern tip of South America. But it clearly and correctly shows details of Antarctica that could not have been known if it had been covered with Ice at the time the original source his map was drawn.

I, like a great many other scientists, am indeed an unashamed creationist, as is every one that believes the Bible.

I published graphs of what was allegedly the same numbers published by the same office of the United States NOAA in two different years, showing how they had been systematically doctored between 2000 and 2013. In the year 2000, the data clearly showed a cooling trend. And allegedly the same date published by the same office in 2013 clearly showed a warming trend. I gave the exact source of the numbers, and you simply rejected it.

And I gave clear evidence of intentional misrepresentation in the information they are circulating. This does not mean that every one of them is a liar. Some of them are only the "useful idiots" described by Karl Marx.

And to me, your behavior most certainly falls into this last category.

 

[Interplanner]

The geologist on Limbaugh made it very clear why you did not have to be a climate scientist to realize the subjectivity of "climate science."

 

[Shocker]

Hey guys, I just drove to the store and back.

My car has an internal combustion engine and its not a hybrid.

Am I going to hell?

 

[eclipsenow]

1-The Genesis verse proves that the earth will always get warm and cold

Hang on a moment: it doesn't say anything like that in the passage. It guarantees seasons and some level of crop returns, but obviously doesn't promise universal success in agriculture given what occurs within a few chapters.

2-You might want to check out how much food farmers in America are allowed to grow

I already know that many countries export more food in various cereal and meat categories than America. So it depends what you're talking about.

3-That can be done without any cuts

Evidence? You just assert stuff. Cuts in what? What are you even talking about?

Its still a hoax the way I see it,plain and simple,but we are all entitled and you believe otherwise,and respect your opinion......

You keep saying 'plain and simple' and just asserting your paranoid conspiracy theory which slanders all your Christian brothers and sisters in climate science, and I'm going to start believing you might be described by the same words!

Bottom line,this world won't get right until the return of Christ....

Agreed. So we don't feed the poor or care about justice? We turn a blind eye? Nice ethic there, and way to go completely disobeying every Christian ethic we know about!

 

[eclipsenow]

Hey guys, I just drove to the store and back.

My car has an internal combustion engine and its not a hybrid.

Am I going to hell?

No, but you're a paranoid conspiracy theorist who trolls on the internet and cannot answer a simple question: is Tim Ball a climatologist or not?