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My certified and licensed expertise is in the application of the basic sciences which are the basis of climatology. Something that, unfortunately, most "climatologists" seem to have demonstrated they do not well understand.

And I am sorry the logic is beyond you, but I stand by my guns on Terra Australis.

'Logic', that's what you call it? :thumbsup: It's a historical fact that Terra Australis was their guestimate, based on ancient Greek continental theory, of a hypothetical great southern land. We've done that to death and I showed maps that demonstrated how the Terra Australis map you prefer was actually 250% larger than it should have been and completely out of shape. The only interesting correlation was that the top end appeared to show the top end of Australia. By the way, why do you think my home country ended up with the name it has today? ;) Come on pal, admit it. That Terra Australis argument of yours was looney.

Meanwhile, the hotter seasons are arriving earlier and (mostly) leaving later, glaciers and the Arctic ARE melting (despite the trickery you quoted earlier), CO2 definitely traps heat, and the maths calculates how much extra energy is trapped in the Earth's atmosphere, freakish hot weather events by far outstrip any record breaking cold events in sheer quantity, the top 4 databases on the planet indicate a warming world, and you rely on a hair-brained unverifiable conspiracy theory to undermine all of this.

Do you also believe the Moon Landing was faked?
 
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For other readers who like SCIENCE (and not just speculative fiction about the Great Southern Land), the Australian Climate Council has summarised the IPCC report down into a readable PDF. It's well worth browsing through.

On Friday the world's most authoritative climate science body, the IPCC, published its latest report. More than 1000 pages on the state of the world's climate.

We've read it and created a snapshot for you.

Have a look and share with your friends to spread independent science!
http://bit.ly/1bk69fs
 
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While the Denialist's pretend the globe is cooling, we continue to cook.

This September is the warmest in Australia’s history, with the national average temperature for the month 2.75 degrees above the long-term (1961–1990) average. September 2013 also set a record for the largest positive anomaly (difference between the observed temperature and the long-term average) for any monthly average temperature.
The average temperature for Australia for the 12 months from October 2012 to September 2013 was 1.25°C above the long-term average. This was 0.17°C warmer than any 12-month period prior to 2013.
The frequency and severity of hot days and heatwaves is increasing as average global temperature is rising.
Although Australia has always had heatwaves and hot days, climate change is increasing the risk of more frequent and longer heatwaves and more extreme hot days, as well as exacerbating bushfire conditions. There have been more than 100 heat-related records broken over the past year, and this year is on track to become Australia’s warmest year on record.
Hotter days, occurring more frequently, present wide-ranging risks for human health and wellbeing. Good community understanding of climate change risks is critical to ensure we take appropriate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to put measures in place to prepare for, and respond to, extreme weather.
It is essential to reduce CO2 emissions rapidly and deeply to stabilise the climate and halt the current trajectory towards more extreme weather events and hotter average temperatures.
http://bit.ly/GzXoU2
 
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And it just keeps coming.

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Eclipsenow you are so full of it.

Maybe you should ask why so many temperature stations have been removed over the last few decade and the overwhelming majority of those left in place have artificial heat sources distoring their readings. This is well documented.

Meanwhile in Europe last winter they had record lows. What a joke.

The whole purpose of this scam is to create a carbon trading scheme and Al Gore and the banksters of this world are bringing that along nicely thank you.

If you had any interest in world climate you would be fighting to save the forests of the world instead of supporting the IPCC theory whose sole purpose ultimately is to introduce a carbon trading scheme which does nothing for the climate, but makes those that fund their studies very very rich.
 
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Eclipsenow you are so full of it.

Maybe you should ask why so many temperature stations have been removed over the last few decade and the overwhelming majority of those left in place have artificial heat sources distoring their readings. This is well documented.
Which is why you link to peer-reviewed sources. ;)
Does Urban Heat Island effect exaggerate global warming trends?
Meanwhile in Europe last winter they had record lows. What a joke.
Evidence please? The world had record heat, but some smaller regional variations had record lows BECAUSE of well documented messing up of the jet stream temperature differential. Think of a river tumbling down narrow gorges with a high gravity differential. Rivers fall in tighter narrower lines then don't they? Then when they slow down on the greater plains, they meander about all over the place. The same situation applies to Arctic jet streams. Arctic weather used to be more confined to the Arctic circle, but now that the temperature differential has relaxed somewhat with the Arctic warming, the jet streams are losing their tight configuration.

Arctic weather is being dumped on Europe and Northern America.

In other words, climate involves studying various integrated systems and involves more than sticking your head out your window and saying, "Sure is cold today, we haven't had snow like this in years! Climate change must be a hoax!"

The whole purpose of this scam is to create a carbon trading scheme and Al Gore and the banksters of this world are bringing that along nicely thank you.
You have no evidence for a scam. Think about it for a minute. If it IS real, wouldn't applying a carbon tax be a great way to let the market place sort out how to do non-carbon energy? We're going to HAVE to anyway, because one day it WILL run out.

You thought about that didn't you!? :thumbsup:

But hey, humanity discovered how CO2 traps heat centuries before Al Gore. So why don't you show us evidence of a carbon-tax conspiracy going back that far? ;) You thought about that as well, didn't you!? :thumbsup:

If you had any interest in world climate you would be fighting to save the forests of the world
I try to, but big oil and king coal can only see the fossil fuel under those forests, and they sponsor people like you to run onto forums and spread anti-science disinformation and unfounded conspiracy theories.

instead of supporting the IPCC theory whose sole purpose ultimately is to introduce a carbon trading scheme which does nothing for the climate, but makes those that fund their studies very very rich.
The purpose of the IPCC is to study the peer-reviewed, scientifically verified process whereby our CO2 traps more and more heat. Anything else you've stated about conspiracy theories belongs in the realm of a B-Grade Sci-Fi novel.
 
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I try to, but big oil and king coal can only see the fossil fuel under those forests, and they sponsor people like you to run onto forums and spread anti-science disinformation and unfounded conspiracy theories.
This is pure, unadulterated, propaganda, and utter nonsense. Who funds your drive to spread the false information?

But go ahead and enjoy your Kool-Aid.
 
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This is pure, unadulterated, propaganda, and utter nonsense. Who funds your drive to spread the false information?

But go ahead and enjoy your Kool-Aid.
Dude: there are fossil fuel company sponsored Denialist programs for the elderly, denialist programs for Christians and welfare groups and any group you care to name. (The Christian Denialist front is called the 'Action Institute for the study of Liberty and Religion). Watch this short youtube, if you really care about the truth. Chances are, your views have been tainted by this undue influence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaKm89eVhoE

Dude, that's also a bit rich as you have ZERO credibility when YOU are the one pushing lies and propaganda!

YOU quoted Denialist propaganda pushing the 'ice age cometh' rubbish about Arctic ice recovering! Do you want me to quote you? Do you want me to quote the unadulterated LIES you quoted and pushed on this forum? Do you want me to show how you cowered in silence when I started quoting the actual peer-reviewed evidence showing that yes, the Arctic has cycles, and yes, some ice regrows each winter, but NO, the Arctic ice VOLUME has NOT IN FACT RECOVERED?

When YOU can apologise to this list for pushing propaganda and lies on this Christian forum, I'll believe you have the intellectual honesty (with yourself first, before even approaching this list!) for this discussion. Until then, just grow up!
 
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Do you want me to show how you cowered in silence when I started quoting the actual peer-reviewed evidence showing that yes, the Arctic has cycles, and yes, some ice regrows each winter, but NO, the Arctic ice VOLUME has NOT IN FACT RECOVERED?

I have never "cowered in silence" before your "peer reviewed" disinformation at any time. I simply got tired of continuing to point out facts which you continuously refuse to admit are true.
 
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I have never "cowered in silence" before your "peer reviewed" disinformation at any time. I simply got tired of continuing to point out facts which you continuously refuse to admit are true.

Here's an easy one word question for you to show whether you are man enough to admit you were wrong.

There is less ice volume today than 40 years ago: True or false?

There's no dodging, no word games, no lies or boring, sneaky attacks on my character.

This is all about YOUR character. Can you answer this question honestly?

This is a ONE LETTER post!

T or F.

Get it? ;)
 
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Which is why you link to peer-reviewed sources. ;)

You mean peer review like the IPCC does. Sends out a brief to scientists for a response on their theories and then includes every person on their mailing list as co authors or people in agreement with their theories. This is just plain deceiptful and shows truly evil intent.

Or maybe peer reviews where scientists are not even allwed to analyse the models and study the data but must simply nod in agreement.

This is not science.... it is forcing false information on society.

eclipsenow said:
Evidence please? The world had record heat, but some smaller regional variations had record lows BECAUSE of well documented messing up of the jet stream temperature differential. Think of a river tumbling down narrow gorges with a high gravity differential. Rivers fall in tighter narrower lines then don't they? Then when they slow down on the greater plains, they meander about all over the place. The same situation applies to Arctic jet streams. Arctic weather used to be more confined to the Arctic circle, but now that the temperature differential has relaxed somewhat with the Arctic warming, the jet streams are losing their tight configuration.

Arctic weather is being dumped on Europe and Northern America.

And in the same way desert weather is being dumped on other areas. Lets at least have some consistency in your views even if they are bizarre.


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You have no evidence for a scam. Think about it for a minute. If it IS real, wouldn't applying a carbon tax be a great way to let the market place sort out how to do non-carbon energy? We're going to HAVE to anyway, because one day it WILL run out.

You thought about that didn't you!? :thumbsup:

Are you absolutely serious??? Its takes half a brain to recognize this scam. And why should a group a wicked people be allowed to set up a system which they can manipulate and manage to extract huge profit for themselves. Markets do not have their own life, they are manipulated and managed by those that have the power through their collarboration and their vast resources. And this is true of all commodities and currencies .Seriously I can only imagine you are in on this scam before you are frankly acting too naive to be anything else.

China and India are building 400 coal fired power stations so they obviosuly know something about carbon reserves that you and the IPCC dont. Let the market really decide without this wicked plan of self enrichment. Long before carbon energy runs out, entrepreneurs would have devised ways to create more carbon fuel or other technologies would have replaced them. Thats how a free market functions.

eclipse said:
But hey, humanity discovered how CO2 traps heat centuries before Al Gore. So why don't you show us evidence of a carbon-tax conspiracy going back that far? ;) You thought about that as well, didn't you!? :thumbsup:

Yeah well they didnt make wild assumptions about what happens to those CO2 traps. The IPCC onclusions that are quite frankly presumtuous and incorrect and do not even match reality.


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I try to, but big oil and king coal can only see the fossil fuel under those forests, and they sponsor people like you to run onto forums and spread anti-science disinformation and unfounded conspiracy theories.

You are a laugh a minute.... Anti science? I just have to read the IPCC evidence and your links to get a load full of anti science disinformation.

The bible speaks of unjust scales in the end times. Look no further than this massive scam of deceipt and deception for confirmation of the times.....
 
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You mean peer review like the IPCC does. Sends out a brief to scientists for a response on their theories and then includes every person on their mailing list as co authors or people in agreement with their theories. This is just plain deceiptful and shows truly evil intent.
You're showing how little you understand the peer-reviewed process. Any decent physics lab on the planet can show how CO2 traps heat. It's an established fact, like the boiling point of water. Do you deny this?
Or maybe peer reviews where scientists are not even allwed to analyse the models and study the data but must simply nod in agreement.
You need to go buy some Prozac and calm down a little.

And in the same way desert weather is being dumped on other areas. Lets at least have some consistency in your views even if they are bizarre.
No, the worldwide heating is NOT just desert heat blowing across the ENTIRE PLANET making it warmer. Warming shows up at night and in winter, so it's not the sun either. It's the atmosphere, and the increase of methane and CO2 in the atmosphere, that is doing it.

Are you absolutely serious??? Its takes half a brain to recognize this scam. And why should a group a wicked people be allowed to set up a system which they can manipulate and manage to extract huge profit for themselves. Markets do not have their own life, they are manipulated and managed by those that have the power through their collarboration and their vast resources. And this is true of all commodities and currencies .Seriously I can only imagine you are in on this scam before you are frankly acting too naive to be anything else.

China and India are building 400 coal fired power stations so they obviosuly know something about carbon reserves that you and the IPCC dont. Let the market really decide without this wicked plan of self enrichment. Long before carbon energy runs out, entrepreneurs would have devised ways to create more carbon fuel or other technologies would have replaced them. Thats how a free market functions.
1. I did not say coal would run out in our generation, but it may peak and become more expensive within the next few decades. See peak coal.
2. Global warming increases national security risks as identified by the Pentagon.
However, In a stunning rebuke to climate change nay-sayers who routinely malign the United Nations and, most especially, its Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the ICA cites several U.N. studies and especially relies on the IPCC's 2007 Assessment Report for dire predictions on the impact of climate change on water resources globally. In typically understated, cool and detached bureaucratese -- even when predicting potentially horrendous global implications -- the ICA concluded that "climate change will cause water shortages in many areas of the world" (including the western U.S.) that will "suffer a decrease in water resources due to climate change" and that, if left unaddressed, "water challenges worldwide will pose a threat to U.S. security interests."
Just as right wingers insist a government funded military is a good thing, they should also be consistent and insist that the government analyse and respond to other issues that might damage the viability of their nation.

Also, coal particles kill tens of thousands of Americans every year, pollutes cities, coal mining destroys landscapes, and it can all be replaced with an American owned, home-grown mix of renewables, nuclear energy, and TODs. (Transition Oriented Developments / Aka New Urbanism).


Yeah well they didnt make wild assumptions about what happens to those CO2 traps. The IPCC onclusions that are quite frankly presumtuous and incorrect and do not even match reality.
Incorrect, and again, just flaunted as your opinion.
You are a laugh a minute.... Anti science? I just have to read the IPCC evidence and your links to get a load full of anti science disinformation.
Incorrect, and again, just flaunted as your opinion.

The bible speaks of unjust scales in the end times. Look no further than this massive scam of deceipt and deception for confirmation of the times.....
1. I'm amil. Revelation doesn't PREDICT any specific end-times table that anyone can interpret. It roughly describes the general condition of the period from Jesus Ascension to Jesus Return. It's descriptive, and applies to all Christians across all time. It's written to John's generation describing the tribulation that HE shared with his brothers in that first Christian generation! It's theology, not timetables. It's encouraging, not some scary end-times thriller. It's generic. It's the gospel dressed up in fancy imagery.
2. If it WERE a time-table ordained by God (and it isn't a timetable, just look at all the mutually contradictory and entirely silly 'predictions' in these forums!, all based on Revelation), then your fight against the 'unfair' carbon tax is a fight against God himself. He's ordained it. So put up with it! It's all good, because you don't have to worry about anything. It's all in your 'timetable' of Revelation. You know it is going to happen, so don't worry! You know what happens next, so don't worry.
3. In fact, why not just join me! in getting a worldwide carbon tax implemented to hurry along whatever timetable schema you imagine you see in the book of Revelation? ;)
4. But a carbon tax that helped fund clean energy research and the actual building out of nuclear-waste-eating GenIV reactors like the Integral Fast Reactor would actually be a very fair, very compassionate, very Christian thing to do. It would ensure a viable climate for our children and grandchildren, and help increase national security at the same time.
 
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Biblewriter,
you can also increase your credibility here by actually admitting when you are wrong. I said big coal were funding denialist groups. You replied that:
This is pure, unadulterated, propaganda, and utter nonsense. Who funds your drive to spread the false information?
But go ahead and enjoy your Kool-Aid.

Please tell us all whether or not the 'Action Institute for the study of Liberty and Religion' is funded by coal to fight climate science?This group might in truth be unadulterated propaganda and utter nonsense, but the fact that it actually exists and actually is sponsored by king coal is not!

Am I right or am I right, or are you just running for cover again?:doh:Be a man for once, and admit you just didn't know about this group being funded by big coal because you only watch Fox News for your world-view shaping daily misinformation digest.

Or, if you DID know about this anti-science propaganda group, why didn't you do anything about it? Why pretend that it didn't exist when you implied I was crazy for saying it did? Where's your conscience?

The Koch Brothers & Their Amazing Climate Change Denial Machine - YouTube
 
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You're showing how little you understand the peer-reviewed process. Any decent physics lab on the planet can show how CO2 traps heat. It's an established fact, like the boiling point of water. Do you deny this?
You need to go buy some Prozac and calm down a little.

I know how the IPCC does peer review. There are hundreds of scientists crying foul and I think they know the process better than you or I. That alone shows the deceipt involved.

eclipsenow said:
No, the worldwide heating is NOT just desert heat blowing across the ENTIRE PLANET making it warmer. Warming shows up at night and in winter, so it's not the sun either. It's the atmosphere, and the increase of methane and CO2 in the atmosphere, that is doing it.

How the heck do you know? The world is undergoing rapid desertification and destruction of forests without people understanding the implications of this (probably the cause of the rise of CO2) Increased solar activity would impact earth temp with an increase in temp released back into the night so your theory is what...? Besides prevailing air currents are not bound to any hemisphere. and i m not even trying to google a reponse....this is common sense.

eclipsenow said:
1. I did not say coal would run out in our generation, but it may peak and become more expensive within the next few decades. See peak coal.
2. Global warming increases national security risks as identified by the Pentagon.
Just as right wingers insist a government funded military is a good thing, they should also be consistent and insist that the government analyse and respond to other issues that might damage the viability of their nation.

Do we seriously trust anything out of the US whose policies are now clearly directed by the industrial military complex Eisenhower so clearly warned about.

eclipsenow said:
Also, coal particles kill tens of thousands of Americans every year, pollutes cities, coal mining destroys landscapes, and it can all be replaced with an American owned, home-grown mix of renewables, nuclear energy, and TODs. (Transition Oriented Developments / Aka New Urbanism).

So lete advocate these options instead of a carbon tax that achieves nothing except enriching a few loathesome and evil people...


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1. I'm amil. Revelation doesn't PREDICT any specific end-times table that anyone can interpret. It roughly describes the general condition of the period from Jesus Ascension to Jesus Return. It's descriptive, and applies to all Christians across all time. It's written to John's generation describing the tribulation that HE shared with his brothers in that first Christian generation! It's theology, not timetables. It's encouraging, not some scary end-times thriller. It's generic. It's the gospel dressed up in fancy imagery.
2. If it WERE a time-table ordained by God (and it isn't a timetable, just look at all the mutually contradictory and entirely silly 'predictions' in these forums!, all based on Revelation), then your fight against the 'unfair' carbon tax is a fight against God himself. He's ordained it. So put up with it! It's all good, because you don't have to worry about anything. It's all in your 'timetable' of Revelation. You know it is going to happen, so don't worry! You know what happens next, so don't worry.
3. In fact, why not just join me! in getting a worldwide carbon tax implemented to hurry along whatever timetable schema you imagine you see in the book of Revelation? ;)
4. But a carbon tax that helped fund clean energy research and the actual building out of nuclear-waste-eating GenIV reactors like the Integral Fast Reactor would actually be a very fair, very compassionate, very Christian thing to do. It would ensure a viable climate for our children and grandchildren, and help increase national security at the same time.

The Old Testament is the book of revelation for all end time prophecy and if you cant follow the pattern the Jews left for Christ and the church you should stick to batting for the IPCC. Revelations is written in the same pattern as the OT and adds further clarity to the end time events of the first covenant which is a parallel to the end times of the church. These are specific events that happened to the Jews, to the life and time of Christ and to the church (in the spiritual realm).

The only way this wicked system will be allowed to take place is if Christians, who have the understanding sit idly by and allow evil to continue. I suggest every Christian pray and expose these lies and the false science that comes with it.

When this groundwork was being laid for this whole CO2 lie people warned the purpose was to create a new tradeable commodity which would introduce a tax for every single living creature. They were laughed to scorn and rediculed and now we have the real reason rearing its ugly head.... It is not unlikely that in the future every person will be taxed one day for breathing out CO2, every animal for farting, etc etc. That is the absolute evil intent of this wicked lie. And there is absolutely no gain for the environment.

But the good news there is justice for all on that one day. We may escape justice in this lifetime through deceipt and manipulation....but justice will come to all.
 
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I know how the IPCC does peer review. There are hundreds of scientists crying foul and I think they know the process better than you or I. That alone shows the deceipt involved.
Again you're sharing your opinion without evidence. As far as I can tell, the only scientists whining are those who can’t get their anti-science climate Denialism published because it doesn’t pass peer-review because it’s full of lies and half-truths. (If you will not mention a specific case, I don’t have to either.)

How the heck do you know? The world is undergoing rapid desertification and destruction of forests without people understanding the implications of this (probably the cause of the rise of CO2)
The climate scientists study this and largely agree with you that this is *one* of the causes of the rise in CO2. As forests are cut down, not only does their tree-carbon mass eventually reach the atmosphere but the soil starts emitting carbon.
Increased solar activity would impact earth temp with an increase in temp released back into the night so your theory is what...? Besides prevailing air currents are not bound to any hemisphere. and i m not even trying to google a reponse....this is common sense.
Incorrect: the sun has been quiet for 11 years yet, and despite a double La Nina and quiet sun, earth’s temperatures have not declined! Denialist’s want to know why the world hasn’t warmed as much as predicted under *some* CO2 models, but the reality is we should be asking why the world is not a whole lot cooler than it is. Where’s the global cooling a double La Nina and quiet sun would normally induce?

Do we seriously trust anything out of the US whose policies are now clearly directed by the industrial military complex Eisenhower so clearly warned about.
There is that, but then there is also the fact that this demonstrates that the *CIA* trust the IPCC. You think they’d catch on to any global conspiracies that might threaten to undermine the American economy, as you seem to fear. But no. They’re true believers.

So lete advocate these options instead of a carbon tax that achieves nothing except enriching a few loathesome and evil people...
Evidence please? What’s so evil about non-fossil fuel, non-polluting, lower fatality energy sources and cleaner cities? What paranoid nightmares are ruining your world mate?

The Old Testament is the book of revelation for all end time prophecy and if you cant follow the pattern the Jews left for Christ and the church you should stick to batting for the IPCC.
Correct: the OT predicted the end times or ‘last days’ and it was all fulfilled in Jesus (except of course his final return, which is part of the gospel message). Every OT promise finds it’s YES in Jesus. We’ve been in the “Last Days” for 2000 years, see Acts 2 where Peter clearly calls his age the last days.
The only way this wicked system will be allowed to take place is if Christians, who have the understanding sit idly by and allow evil to continue. I suggest every Christian pray and expose these lies and the false science that comes with it.
Yeah, what a terrible energy system this would be! How evil! It would cause cleaner cities, less children dying to emphysema, energy security, and America being freed from buying oil from nations that don’t like America very much! Unbearable! What a terribly evil and naughty system *that* would be!

When this groundwork was being laid for this whole CO2 lie
You just don’t get it do you? This is not a debate. Science has PROVED how CO2 traps heat, and did so long, long ago. This was settled in science text books way before Al Gore. Check this video out: it will show you with your OWN eyes how CO2 traps heat. (Relevant part starts 90 seconds in).
http://climatecrocks.com/2009/07/25/this-years-model/

people warned the purpose was to create a new tradeable commodity which would introduce a tax for every single living creature.
Paying taxes is a good Christian duty, see Romans 13. And that was to a pagan ROMAN government who funded various Roman temples and gods.
They were laughed to scorn and rediculed and now we have the real reason rearing its ugly head.... It is not unlikely that in the future every person will be taxed one day for breathing out CO2, every animal for farting, etc etc. That is the absolute evil intent of this wicked lie. And there is absolutely no gain for the environment.
Incorrect: we recently had a carbon tax in Australia which only taxed the top 500 emitting companies. Individual citizens received a carbon REBATE and paid something like $500 less tax per person. It’s about moving from polluting, dangerous, dirty, finite, and geopolitically vulnerable coal and oil and gas across to clean, secure, and (for all purposes) renewable solar and wind and GenIV nuclear power.
Basically, you’re resisting switching over to clean energy based on a paranoid, anti-science worldview, and our grandchildren will have to make the switch *anyway* because one day this foul stuff will *run out*. We may as well get started cleaning up and securing our energy future. The sooner we do, the sooner we’ll have a better world.
 
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I did not read all 50 pages, but I did read enough to see I found someone who will explain this global warming to me. I am 50+ years old, I learned 45 years ago that the glaciers receded & carved out the great lakes. Now explain to me how them evil cavemen caused emissions to melt the glaciers north across Michigan & form the great lakes ? Dang cavemen, must have barbecued too much causing emissions & the glaciers to recede ? I don't know your solution as we would have to put out less emissions than the cavemen as they caused the glaciers to recede back from Michigan way northward.

I wrote Al Gore about this years back, he never did answer, so I look forward to you explaining how them evil cavemen caused the glaciers to recede since you seem to believe all this is caused by man ?

Thanks,
Dan
 
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I did not read all 50 pages, but I did read enough to see I found someone who will explain this global warming to me. I am 50+ years old, I learned 45 years ago that the glaciers receded & carved out the great lakes. Now explain to me how them evil cavemen caused emissions to melt the glaciers north across Michigan & form the great lakes ? Dang cavemen, must have barbecued too much causing emissions & the glaciers to recede ? I don't know your solution as we would have to put out less emissions than the cavemen as they caused the glaciers to recede back from Michigan way northward.

I wrote Al Gore about this years back, he never did answer, so I look forward to you explaining how them evil cavemen caused the glaciers to recede since you seem to believe all this is caused by man ?

Thanks,
Dan

PS: If you can't be bothered watching the entire video, here's 2 words for you: Milankovitch cycles. In other words, believe it or not but the smart guys and girls who study this stuff are WAY ahead of you, and have already quantified the solar variances that triggered the ice ages, and trapped CO2 did kick the ice age along by another 40% of cooling, and then on the other side released CO2 DID kick the warming along another 40% of warming.

So there's no need to go on about cave-men not burning fossil fuels. The background average temperatures back then were way lower than today's, and no one has suggested that their warming was anywhere near ours. The globe went from ice-age to pre-industrial temperatures, not from ice-ages to today's freaky climate.
 
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