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Not at all.If that isn't the pot calling the kettle.
Just another Roman papacy propaganda thread anyway. Bye Bye.
LLOJ [hops off another eternal "merry-go-round"]
As Catholics, that is our view.While I enjoy Chesterton, especially his wit, I don't think this is one of his best. It is based on there being an intrinsic logic to the procession that is either accepted in totality or rejected in totality. Human nature is never so logical. We pick and choose what fancies us every day of our lives and few of us care a fig for how logical our choices are within someone elses' framework.
Not at all. However, it has nothing to do with the central point.He is sticking to the facts. Do you dispute his citation of Dionysius?
HermasI'll talk slower...
there is nothing for 170 years after Christ suggesting universal authority for Rome.
Your asking me to contradict something that is
non-existant
That is very reasonable.Squashing things is usually bad, especially parades because everyone loves 'em, so I won't have anything to do with that bit of it.
My question to Chesterton would be: how is it not reasonable to judge the value of a teacher by how he practices what he preaches?
You mean there are no non-RC Christians working with the poor?That is very reasonable.
Can you name a single entity, other than perhaps the US government, that has done more for the least of these than the Catholic Church?
Go to any desolate, impoverished hell hole in the world and you will find Catholics working there to spread the love of Christ.
Of course not.You mean there are no non-RC Christians working with the poor?
Ok. Bye Bye.Of course not.
Followers of Christ need not be Catholic.
I was one for four decades before finding the fullness of truth which is the Catholic Church.
Of course not.
Followers of Christ need not be Catholic.
I was one for four decades before finding the fullness of truth which is the Catholic Church.
You might have me there!Don't mean to derail you so I'll keep my response short. Ok, so there may be some mysteries in the Catholic traditions, but how can we say that it is the full truth when the full truth has yet to be revealed?
You might have me there!
Let me post something from the Catechism which I believe makes a valid case for my position, much better than I did!
God has said everything in his Word
65 "In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son."[26] Christ, the Son of God made man, is the Father's one, perfect and unsurpassable Word. In him he has said everything; there will be no other word than this one. St. John of the Cross, among others, commented strikingly on Hebrews 1:1-2:
In giving us his Son, his only Word (for he possesses no other), he spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word - and he has no more to say. . . because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, he has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behaviour but also of offending him, by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ and by living with the desire for some other novelty.[27] There will be no further Revelation
66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."[28] Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries. 67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called "private" revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ's definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
That is the way I read the BIBLE>There will be no further Revelation
66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away;
I don't think you are very familiar with what actually happened during the inquisitions.So would you say that the fullness of the truth refers to the fullness of the completed revelation which you believe resides in the scriptures and in Catholic tradition?
If only the church's leadership had acted in more accordance with the teachings of the gospel during the inquisition times, I would have been more inclined to accept the authority of its teachings.
(((So would you say that the fullness of the truth refers to the fullness of the completed revelation which you believe resides in the scriptures and in Catholic tradition?))So would you say that the fullness of the truth refers to the fullness of the completed revelation which you believe resides in the scriptures and in Catholic tradition?
If only the church's leadership had acted in more accordance with the teachings of the gospel during the inquisition times, I would have been more inclined to accept the authority of its teachings.
As a RC you have to answer yes(((So would you say that the fullness of the truth refers to the fullness of the completed revelation which you believe resides in the scriptures and in Catholic tradition?))
Yes.
As a convert, I didn't have to choose the RC!As a RC you have to answer yes
Thank you so much.
In case you are interested, the Chesterton society presents GK Chesterton, the Apostle of Common Sense every Sunday night at 8:00 Central time on EWTN.
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