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We agree that the twin can no longer judge his true age once set in motion.

The astronaught may think his time is the same, but you and I both know for a fact that as his velocity increases, his clocks do in fact slow. Need we discuss GPS?

Now we agree that the astronaught incorrectly believes they haven't, that he believes it is your clocks that are slowing. So in reality the astronaught can not even detect changes to his own clocks, but also incorrectly believes your clocks are changing. So once he was set in motion he couldn't get anything correct, now could he, and it is his perception you want to use...... even when you know for a fact his clocks slow from the rate they were before......

No one is arguing the astronaught thinks he ages at the same rate as always, just the simple fact you and I know he doesn't, and that to calaculate his true age would require you to perform time dilation corrections for when his clocks ticked faster before he began accelerating...... it would be impossible to calculate his true age using the rate his clocks now tick.

The problem is you all think seconds of a longer duration equal seconds of a shorter duration. That we call two different things the same is the start of the problem. But the real problem is none of you really understand why light travels at c regardless of velocity, which is the root of your problem. To all of you it just magically does....
 
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Perhaps I wasn't clear in my post.

You know for a fact that as the twin accelerates his clocks slow. Yet the twin does not measure a change in decay rates for the different elements. If what you are proposing was true, then the twin with his slower clock would never obtain the same exact result proportionally between elements as he did before. He would notice such a change, but he doesn't. He doesn't because everything changes proportionally to energy, including his zero points for all his measurements.

Its not magical that two clocks that tick at different rates and two rulers of different lengths give the same readings for the speed of light, or the decay of atoms. It is all proportional to energy as is the shift of zero points. It is simply you don't understand why they do.
 
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This is some nutty stuff. Im sorry but im not even going to bother trying to talk this one out. Youre talking about crazy space time bending, time altering crazy stuff. And theres no evidence for any of it. So im just going to let you go.

And let me be clear, im not saying time dilation is crazy. But trying to take time dilation and to put a spin on it and incorporate it into regular physics (as physics exists on earth) in an attempt to show that the planet is 6000 years old, is just crazy talk.

Good luck. You and that dad guy will be added to the ignore list.
 
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The church at large is having trouble reconciling faith with science. Part of the difficulty in that, part of what causes conflict, are christian literalists who push for ideas that are utter nonsense. Its time the church step forward and advance in its understanding of scripture and the universe. And put an end to these bizarre ultra conservative literal interpretations.
 
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Oh no, modern cosmology is the one that talks of bending space and expanding magical nothing. Which there is indeed no evidence of.

On the other hand we have actual evidence with clocks on board airplanes and in space that slowed due to their velocity. Now you either believe that God stretched out the heavens or you don't. But that clocks slow due to acceleration is an experimental fact.

Since the earth is traveling at an unknown velocity through space, it had to accelerate to get to its current velocity. I ask you believe nothing but standard accepted science backed by experimental proofs.

Unlike others on here I'm not asking you to believe in magical dark matter, magical bending space composed of nothing, or galaxies moving away at an increasing rate without actually increasing in velocity. Everything I ask you to accept has been experimentally proven in the laboratory. What's crazy is to deny those laboratory experiments so one doesn't have to accept the science.....

Ahh the ignore list, the first sign of fear of the truth....
 
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Agreed, such as accepting that when God "stretched out the heavens" they underwent acceleration and time dilation occurred, as has been proven in several laboratory experiments in airplanes and in space.

But the church is using the flawed dating of the rate that clocks tick today as is the unbelievers who don't want to have to apply time dilation corrections either. One rejects the science, the other ignores the science they claim to follow out of fear.
 
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Sorry, but there is a limit on the "stretching" and the ability to see stars. If you stretch the universe faster than the speed of light, as some creationists try to claim, then one simply would not see the stars involved. Their light would be red shifted down to below microwave radiation. In fact it would be red shifted to an almost infinite wavelength.
 
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I am afraid that this is wrong. If the half-life of carbon is 5000 years and that of radium is 1600 years, the age of a 2500-year old object is 0.5 carbon half-lives and 1.5625 (not 1.54) radium half-lives. If both decay rates were multiplied by a factor of 10, the half-life of carbon would be 500 years and that of radium would be 160 years, and an age of 2500 years would, of course, be 5.0 carbon half-lives and 15.625 radium half-lives. Obviously 0.5/1.5625 = 0.320, and 5.0/15.625 = 0.320, so the two ratios are identical, and the final ages for the two methods would come out the same. There would only be a discrepancy in the ages if the decay rates of different nuclei were accelerated by different factors.
 
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Yea,

Yea, I picked up on that flawed math after i made the post, just never edited it. It does draw into question though, if accelerated decay rates were present in the past, how exactly is it that the decay rates would be equally affected in various different nuclei. I wouldn't know...maybe a question for a chemist or physicist.
 
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