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It’s not a matter of being super holy but if you want to go on reckoning yourself a sinner more power to ya to be just that.
Oh, And don’t worry about putting him on a pedestal. He does a great job of that on his own. The Great Gideon has fallen, has fallen! Gimme a break.
Deny thyself mean nothing to you? That’s been discussed to death on another forum that I participated with you in, so I don’t think it does.But we are ALL sinners. Anyone who claims otherwise is fooling themselves. When i am weak, it is then that i am strong. It is then that we truly see how merciful and loving God is.
I think its extremely difficult for anyone to live a life without sin. Even great Saints sinned.
What about Jesus? He we perfect and without sin. Why not try and be like Him and pattern yourself after Him....relate to Him......instead of those you believe fell to sin?Think of King David. He was four-to-the-floor in His touting of righteousness, yet he sinned in extremis and GOD made it public! He let us see it all, the stumbles and the gloryings. David's Son Solomon shipwrecked and yet GOD lets the record stand of PROVERBS, the sayings of the wisest man who ever lived.
I love both of those men of God! More than that I love the GOD of steadfast love, who was their GOD.
Jesus is our model; perfection is for us too; God didn't make us to be imperfect after all, to be sinners. This life is a journey that He's put humankind on, to perfection, a journey that we cannot make successfully except to the extent that we're partnered with Him on it. And so our first and main decision is whether or not we really want this partnership, this union with the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And this "wanting", this wisdom, is progressive, we grow in our faith in, hope in, and love for God as we struggle against attraction to anything less than Him, to created things, of the flesh.We assume not sinning equals perfection. So if we accept that premise, we immediately lose heart in trying to figure out how to stop sinning because after all, perfection is for Jesus only.
I think its extremely difficult for anyone to live a life without sin. Even great Saints sinned.
What about Jesus? He we perfect and without sin. Why not try and be like Him and pattern yourself after Him....relate to Him?
He also made sure this was recorded: There was no man born greater that John the Baptist......Yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.Good point. What does that have to do with mine? I chose two very well known sinners who God used mightily, IN SPITE OF their sin. Both proclaimed righteousness and both fell. God still used. He made sure it was recorded for our learning.
Is this analogous to what Gideons300 has done? Not really.
It is comforting to some to know that, whatever you may preach to them about victory over sin, the reality is that you fall into sin, too. It confirms them in thinking that a holy life really isn't possible - at least, not all the time. It's been said that misery loves company, but so do those who live in moral and spiritual compromise. Especially when someone stumbles who has urged holiness, the effect of that stumbling is to set the morally and spiritually compromised more at ease in their compromise. If those who champion holiness can't attain it, why should they strain to do so? Whatever those holiness freaks say, a consistently holy life just isn't possible. Wait for a time and those urging us to be holy fall just like the rest of us.
There's truth in all you wrote. And yet Gideon's message is a good and valuable one-and worth his sharing. I can't help but think of the principle behind Matt 23:3. Humans will fail at times, but God's word remains true while humans are the vessels through which He works and speaks.Well for me I am feeling a certain disquiet about how this thread has gone...
Gid's has fallen seriously and while there is Grace, what happens if in 6 months we get a repeat...
That is why I focussed on how to deal with such temptation so that we don't fall.
I am not sure that it is time for an abundance of words...
It takes more than correct theology to walk in victory.
It takes the fear of Him, and His hatred of evil.
Personally after having to walk out of a similar state I would never entertain the possibility of considering the 'safe use' of what destroyed my life.
Something is amiss.
Deep repentance is not usually accompanied by an abundance of words.
Please forgive me if I am wrong but something doesn't seem to stack up.
He also made sure this was recorded: There was no man born greater that John the Baptist......Yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
The kingdom of heaven is at Hand......time to enter.... and this is not possible while we are still trying to be like great men.
I pointed to two men whose sin offered this excuse. God didn't hide it from us, lest we use it as an opportunity to sin. If someone does that it is always on them:
What are Pauls weaknesses? Were his weakness to sin? If so then, according to the scripture, that was foolish. If so everyone boasting in their weakness to sin is a fool. That doesn't make sense though does it?. Paul cant be talking about his weakness to sinBut we are ALL sinners. Anyone who claims otherwise is fooling themselves. When i am weak, it is then that i am strong. It is then that we truly see how merciful and loving God is.
And yet Gideon's message is a good and valuable one-and worth his sharing. I can't help but think of the principle behind Matt 23:3. Humans will fail at times, but God's word remains true while humans are the vessels through which He works and speaks.
Can God dwell in an unclean temple? When I sin, is my temple clean or unclean?There's truth in all you wrote. And yet Gideon's message is a good and valuable one-and worth his sharing. I can't help but think of the principle behind Matt 23:3. Humans will fail at times, but God's word remains true while humans are the vessels through which He works and speaks.
Neither David nor Solomon had the advantage of the spiritually-regenerate life from which Gideon benefits. They knew nothing of the crucified life, of the truths of identification, appropriation and sanctification that Gideon has promoted in his threads. Unlike Gideons300, their sin does not belie these life-changing truths.
Didnt know that mentioning the Words of Christ meant, to you, that the OT was moot. I'll keep this in mind for the future. ThanksKeep missing the point and acting like utilizing the OT is moot. I don't mind.
Didnt know that mentioning the Words of Christ meant, to you, that the OT was moot. I'll keep this in mind for the future. Thanks
Huh? How do David and Solomon's lives not "belie" the "life-changing truths" THEY were called of God to make? My point stands.
As I said, neither David nor Solomon were spiritually-regenerated as Gideons300 claims to be. They did not have access to the life-transforming power of the Holy Spirit in the way a post-Calvary believer does, nor did they have a new spiritual identity in Christ as Gideons300 does. In other words, you're comparing apples to oranges. And so, no, your point does not stand.
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