Ghosts

[Caliban]

What's your opinion, if any, on ghosts and the theory behind them. Is there any scriptual reference/evidence that ghosts exist?

I got this from a friend

Hi, just want to send you this photo taken this week at Eastwood Libis (a popular night spot in Metro Manila). There were three friends who went there to hang out. One of them brought a Nokia 7250 cellphone. The one with the video and still camera. (Jazzbo's note: Well they got the model wrong, the were probably talking about a 3650).

The two girls asked their friend to take their picture. After taking the picture, they saw a ghostly image holding one of the girl's arms. None of the girls saw or felt this, and as far as they knew they were only two of them who posed for the photo. The girls started to shout with shock when they saw the picture on the phone about a minute later. Remember, the video captured (note: video? on a 7250? very big grin) captured what they didn't see in real life.

This story must be true because one of the people involved is the friend of my boss's daughter and they immediately forwarded the picture message to my boss, who then brought it to the office and showed it to us last Tuesday. I was really shocked! This is really scary. It's really true! (note: well if your boss says it is, it must be so!) They were just a group of friends having a good time at Libis that night then according to the photo they had an extra companion with them all the while. We really need to pray for God's presence all the time, especially at night. - cely.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Sometimes if it is the last photo on a roll the film doesn't fully extend and it can superimpose the next image on the last one. We had one that looked likeour basset hound was trying to bite of my grandmother -in-laws head. Well...he just wasn't tall enough to do that.

 

[Caliban]

LOL about your story!!

This was done with a digital camera phone (Nokia 7250/3650 cellphone) not a reel camera.

Also I looked at the picture closely in Photoshop and it appears that the "thing" holding on to the girls arm is a naked male, something I'm sure she would have noticed when they posed for the shot!

 

[U R my Sonshine]

LOL about your story!!

This was done with a digital camera phone (Nokia 7250/3650 cellphone) not a reel camera.

Also I looked at the picture closely in Photoshop and it appears that the "thing" holding on to the girls arm is a naked male, something I'm sure she would have noticed when they posed for the shot!

LOL!! Probably not... I am sure she'd have prefered he be dressed.

My next guess would be a reflection of some sort......

I don't like the ghost, demons, etc stuff. Freaks me out. I ask the Lord that I never be sensitive to those types of things. I don't want to see it! Ever.

 

[Caliban]

Reflection and Image blur was my next thought but it doesn't explain the grip of the girls arm! Also if someone was passing it again wouldnt explain the grip on the girls arm. Also with motion blur lighting is always effected too and the lamps in the background are perfectly orbed (I have been educated in photography and photoshop and have seen many supposed ghost pictures but this one stumps me).


This is the culprit zoomed and embossed to show the features of the face a little better

 

[Lynn73]

I thing ghosts are demons impersonating dead people since the Bible doesn't teach that the dead roam around the earth after their physical body dies.

 

[armothe]

In the Old Testament we see King Saul conjuring up the spirit of Samuel from Hades. From this passage we can conclude that spirits came "up" from the ground (when called) and were somewhat recognizable by certain people.

Also, in Leviticus there are a few laws regarding wizards/mediums/familiar spirits, which indicate a possibility that ghosts/spirits exist.

In the NT we see the disciples frightened by the resurrected Christ in which He tells them he is not a ghost. From this we can conclude there must have been a history of ghost/spirit sightings.

I personally have never encountered a spirit/ghost and tend to believe that there is a logical and scientific explanation for 99% of any type of paranormal activity.

-A

 

[lismore]

I thing ghosts are demons impersonating dead people since the Bible doesn't teach that the dead roam around the earth after their physical body dies.

There is one Ghost- the Holy Ghost.

All the rest 'sightings' may well be familiar (evil) spirits.

 

[lismore]

In the Old Testament we see King Saul conjuring up the spirit of Samuel from Hades. From this passage we can conclude that spirits came "up" from the ground (when called) and were somewhat recognizable by certain people.


-A

Yes and Samuel said 'Why have you distubed me?

Daniel and Paul speak of the dead being asleep.

 

[chrispykreme]

Ghosts, no....demons, yes

 

[Tonks]

I got this from a friend

This should have been your first clue.......

 

[Caliban]

This should have been your first clue.......

eh?

 

[Tonks]

eh?

I generally distrust anything such as "hey look at this neat [insert whatever]" when I receive them from my friends via email.....

You'll see if you play with the different "fade invert" options in PS that the "ghost" image was added to the original. The values for the ghost never change. That and it's not transparent. Just another layer manipulated to look like a ghost before the image was flattened.

 

[Caliban]

I have to disagree as I use photoshop 7 everyday and deal with adding images onto backgrounds for magazines. There are a number of tell tale signs such as colour transmission when zoomed which all correspond to the CYMK, that would mean that they would have to have taken two seperate pictures at exactly the same time in the same place (lighting can change in milliseconds) and the CYMK in these pictures on the edge of the anomaly are exactly the same colour code for the whole photo. There are no filter blemishes, there are no opacity changes, the channels are exactly the same, no mask clipping, the monochromatic is uncheckmarked, the uniform is not distributed.....all these show to me and other students in Photoshop that this is a real image. I have even sent it to other people and they have attemted to find some way to explain it.


Also I have never heard of a "cross fade" in photoshop, please could you explain? What version are you using and what capacity do you use it?

:edit: oops scratch above "cross fade" as you said fade invert...apologies

 

[Tonks]

I'm still not convinced. Frankly, at such a crappy resolution it is hard to tell anything about the picture. A full-res original would be best.

Even it it "were" real the only way it could effectively be done in one shot is with a pinhole camera set at fast exposure.

I use Photoshop CS

 

[DavetheProphet]

If it is real, it's not a ghost, it's demons. Demons intervene when necessary to steer people on the wrong course and make them believe in something other than God (for instance weejee board and such games like that)...

 

[Caliban]

I am not fully convinced either but it is still an anomaly all the same that I haven't come across, it may have a fully logical explanation but it was a mere example to capture the imagination to post scriptual referenece to the reality of ghosts. I agree with you that unless I took it myself there is every chance it could be a forgery....a good one at that

 

[californiadreamin]

All I can say is, thats CREEPY.

 

[ren_leung]

If it is real, it's not a ghost, it's demons. Demons intervene when necessary to steer people on the wrong course and make them believe in something other than God (for instance weejee board and such games like that)...

i agree!

from what i gather from my Bible knowledge, ghosts, mediums, psychics, or anything else that claims to have access to or be from the spiritual realm is demonic, unless they claim to be from the Lord Jesus Christ - including the 'ghost Samuel' that appeared in 1 Samuel 28:

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from god, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognise the spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, whih you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world" - 1 John 4:3

and again from john:

'Many decievers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deciever and the antichrist." - 1 John 7

so yup! we have seen that ghosts/demons/psychics/mediums/the closet monster are real - theyre from satan, and by God's grace, they have no effect on us!

Praise Him!
God bless yall =]

 

[Diane_Windsor]

That's not a ghost-I can clearly make out his hand, and he looks like he is wearing a watch. It looks like he is wearing shorts, but no shirt. Can't really make out his face. Or, as another poster has already pointed out, it could be a reflection, etc. Or, the camera could have a defection.

It's really true! (note: well if your boss says it is, it must be so!)

Isn't that the truth!

As for whether ghosts are real-I am highly skeptical. They could very well be demons, and a theory that I like it that places could have memories. That, a place could have imprints of something that occured previously-look at the Queen Mary ship.

Diane