queenm04
uhm that first statement, about how " the bible says....."
is that your belief or hers?
as much as i have to stay that im nobody and i dont know a whole lot and im not better than that lady, i really dont agree with what she says...
for a few simple reasons that ill try to make clear. i hope you dont mind reading all this... but if you want to know this is what i feel the bible says about this.
1.
if i had to make vocal statements about every sin id ever commited, and not just pray the sinners prayer, id be about as doomed as doomed could get... cus it would take me probly longer than i have left to live to do that.
becuase when i was born i was born in sin and shapen in iniquity, i was born a very efficient sinning machine, its what i did and i did it very well, it was my most dominant nature... i commited a "whole lot" of sins and thats being very modest. yeah me and hitler, i dont think he sinned any more than i did. we all have our own ways of being great sinners.
it didnt take thought or decisions, sinned flowed out of me like water, that was my instinct.
i dont think making statements about them all is feasable, and i dont see it anywhere in the bible. its just not possible, maybe if we only commited about a few dozen... over our whole lifetime.... (ya see what i mean?)
but i didnt.... i was a sinner. a real live sinner... i sinned a whooole lot.
if you sinned once a week (which is rediculous, cus we sin everyday) from the time you were 12 till you were uhm...14... and you got saved at 14, thats uhm.... 104 sins you have to verbally confess one by one. i doubt anyone could get em all, but hey, lets talk about the people who were real people who sinned everyday of their life cus they liked it, and now at the ripe old age of 50 years old want to get saved and go to heavon, how do they get the victory over the devil? they cant get the victory over the devil unless they can somehow remember and confess the countless sins theyve commited? no... thats just not true.
2.
the lady agreed that when you pray the sinners prayer that you become a new creation in Christ.
i guess shes refering to the scripture from 2 cor 5.17-18 or atleast agreeing with it.
'therefore if anyman be in Christ he is a new creature, old things are passed away, behold all things become new. and all things are of God... "
but that goes to say that when your in Christ your are a new creature, and not only are a new creature your past is gone, those old things have passed away, those old sins that you cant remember have passed away, and ALL of you is made new... the work is finished, the devil isnt hanging around cus you still didnt say the whole thing correctly or didnt use the right words or forgot about that sin you commited back when you were 13.
no you dont have to go back and regurgitate your past, in the same moment your made a new creature, your past is gone too.
the thing is shes probly a good lady, she probly loves the Lord, she probly genuinely loves people, but she doesnt understand a few things.
Jesus said that when evil spirits leave a man they go into dry deserted places looking for rest, but finding none, they say to themselves that they will return to their home, and they return and find it swept and garnished and empty and then they re-enter in, and the state of that man is worse than the first.
the reason people continue to struggle with sin even after they are saved and born again are new creatures is becuase those old demons that God kicked out of their life still consider that person their home, and they try to return, when they return, they find most people empty... and it is no struggle for them to re-enter in.
paul said our spirit must be renewed daily, and we must fill ourselves with the word of God and presence of God and life of God so that we can fight the good fight of faith, so that when those demons come back they dont find us empty and simply walk back in. the bible says we have to put on the full armour of God so that we can withstand the wiles of the devil... what if you dont put it on? youll be defeated... there are plenty of ways to be defeated by the devil.
it doesnt have to be that you didnt confess all your sins rightly, thats not the only conclusion to be have. see what im saying?
some people say "well you must not have got saved all the way, or well you really never got saved then....." no, you can get slap defeated and go back to sin and hell if you dont stay in the word which is the only weapon we have, and put your armor on and stay full of God. the devil wants to destroy you, and he can if you dont do the prerequisites the bible sets forth to living a victorious life in Christ. regardless of how true your salvation is and was.
its not about the experience, its about the daily life and walk with God.
it isnt becuase they didnt get saved the right way or didnt confess all their sins.
steve needs to fill himself with the life and power of God from the word of God and the presence of God on a daily basis.... it isnt becuase steve didnt confess all the sins.
the lady says that the word confess in the bible, isnt fullfilled by the blanket statement "forgive me of my sins".
but when you say "Lord im a sinner, forgive me" that is a verbal statement.
what shes doing is just arguing over semantics, just playing with words.
no, i love the lady, but she just doesnt understand.
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Thank you. Do you have a song or a voice clip up? Just curious.
I can be so forgetful! LOL!
