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Getting shot down because of one's race

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I’m a devoutly Christian Caucasian male of European descent. There’s nothing worse in their eyes.

When you say "Christian Caucasian male", you mean the "Christian" part or the "Caucasian male" part? I don't see Hollywood rejects the "Caucasian male" part, brother. And, it is the rejection of the mass media against certain racial group, instead of certain faith, that jubilationtcornpone was pointing out.

However, I agree with you that there's no need to be whiny though (which I don't think is the original poster's intention anyway). A woman should be allowed to have her own favor, just like I actually think the so called "affirmative action" should not be applied to the work places. People should be allowed to hire anyone they feel happy to work with. But, that is another topic.
 
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I wouldn’t feel too much pain if I’m rejected. I don’t think being “attractive” is too important either. Being “attractive” simply means you get the favor of the majority. While among billions of women of the world, you only need one. And, the rejection only means you need to focus on the rest of the pool and find the one that is meant for you.

By the way, (I saw a youtube video of you somewhere on this forum) you look thick and strong. Although I don’t believe in being “attractive”, from a guy’s point of view, I do think your physical appearance is above the average.


Tonight, I received a message from a woman that I contacted on a Christian dating site (CC, where I'm known as hopelessromantic162). She said that my profile was very well written, and that she liked everything about it. Unfortunately, she said that my racial background was a dealbreaker. "I'm not attracted to Asian men," she replied.

Darn. I really appreciated her graciousness and candor, and she clearly tried to let me down gently. Still, it's disappointing when one gets rejected because of one's race.

I'm not asking for a pity party, mind you. I just want to say that situations like these really stink.
 
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When you say "Christian Caucasian male", you mean the "Christian" part or the "Caucasian male" part? I don't see Hollywood rejects the "Caucasian male" part, brother.
Hollywood in particular, perhaps not - though in isolated cases, definitely. That's why I expanded my point to the media in general. In my opinion there is a definite bias against Caucasians that is propagated by the media. My ancestors were slave holders, so I'm therefore guilty myself. That's just one example. It extends into the political. But Hollywood, the media in general and politics are all meshed together. They've created an image amongst some that has definitely affected some of my sisters.
 
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hmmm im of mixed rac and though i have white in me , i dont consider myself white cause i am on the tanner side which by the way working on my side lol...my girlfriend is anglo saxon white. There has never been a problem , it has never even crossed my mind.
That's because not all races encounter the same obstacles.

If you're a white male or female, for example, you will tend to have many more dating options. Black men are also in great demand, due to their perceived masculinity. Asian women are perceived as being delicate and exotic, and so there is tremendous demand for them as well. (Even ordinary-looking Asian women find themselves showered with attention from white men, for example.)

In contrast, black women have a hard time in the dating arena. As a result (and I'm speaking in broad generalities here), there tends to be an undercurrent of resentment against attractive white women, since many black men prefer to date and marry such types. (FTR, this is why Johnny Cochrane chose to fill the O.J. Simpson jury with black women. He knew that they were likely to be biased against the lovely blonde Nicole Simpson, and that this would work in his favor.)

Asian men have an even harder time than black women do. You may have noticed that there are a large number of white male/Asian female pairings, but much fewer Asian male/white female couples. Believe me, the Asian male community is acutely aware that they're placed at the lower rungs of dating desirability.

BTW, when I say "Asian," I'm really referring to those from the Far East. Indians and Pakistanis are technically Asian as well, for example, yet they are in much greater demand.


As I mentioned earlier, these disparities appear to be much more acute amongst Christians -- at least, in my experience. If so, then this is a terrible shame. If anything, Christians should be more willing to look past skin color and racial stereotypes than others.
 
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Okay, one exception to this rule.

Lorena Bobbitt was originally from Ecuador. During the time when she was on trial for performing unnecessary plastic surgery on her husband, one hundred women back in her home country swore a pledge that if she were convicted, they'd go on a "holy war" duplicating her action on as many guys as they could get hold of.

I made a mental note on that day that I would never ever date a woman from Ecuador.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
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Hollywood in particular, perhaps not - though in isolated cases, definitely. That's why I expanded my point to the media in general. In my opinion there is a definite bias against Caucasians that is propagated by the media. My ancestors were slave holders, so I'm therefore guilty myself. That's just one example. It extends into the political. But Hollywood, the media in general and politics are all meshed together. They've created an image amongst some that has definitely affected some of my sisters.


I've been debating whether to respond to this because there is no easy way of doing it. But, brother, I will have to disagree. I have heard several white men make this comment as though they feel threatened that for the first time in history their collective power is being challenged. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you feel this way. As someone who studies race and culture, I can assure you that no one is blaming this generation of white people for the pasts of their ancestors. What is being called for is an acknowledgement of how the past continues to affect the present, and how the past is reflected in the pervasive and often implicit cultural imperialism that is event in the media, the arts and in politics. What I notice is a defensiveness among many when Western hegemony is challenged; again, they should ask themselves why?

Seventy-five percent of the world is populated by people of color and yet a small majority of whites dictate what is consumed. This is a problem. That people like myself and others point this out, is no need to get defensive. We are not blaming you. We are striving for representational equality; that's all I'm saying. The media is run, controlled and funded by white executives. Now, I don't watch much TV, but the last time I checked the leading, romantic roles where still being reserved for white men and white women (with a few "colored" people strewn in). American television does not reflect the diversity of romantic relationships. There are NO Asian figures on TV. Yes, it is an issue because the media subconsciously and implictly dictates our culture's aesthetic values. Unfortunately, most people don't consume the media with a critical mind. So, while critical-thinking people like us may not be getting our values from TV, the majority of our population is. And, those who think the media has no psychic effect on our culture are deceiving themselves. Asian men, unfortunately, have to contend with an array of aesthetic and sexual stereotypes that have made them undesireable among the masses.


On Friends, a tv show set in New York, there were NO Black, Asian or Latino characters. From what I understand, they finally threw in a Black character in the last season to appease those who where pointing out the idiosyncrasy of an all white show set in New York City, of all places. So, people of color have to watch TV without seeing themselves represented. And most don't say anything or complain; instead they form their own channels/media networks.

Thank God for Christ, nonethless. Who has redeemed us from all of this foolishness and who calls us to not be conformed to the patterns of this world.

And, for the record, I have been attracted to men of all races. I've only dated "brown" men--Black, Latino, South Asian (Indian), because those are the only ones who have had the gumption to ask me out. :) I have strong preferences for people who come from cultures similar to my own, but I am open to anyone as long as they are culturally open and aware, and most importantly, Christ-centered.

*puts on flame retardant suit*
 
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American television does not reflect the diversity of romantic relationships. There are NO Asian figures on TV.

More accurately, I'd say that there are Asian figures on TV, but they tend to be pigeonholed. Asian women are almost invariably portrayed as objects of exotic romantic conquest. Consider Lucy Liu, a woman who (IMO) would not be considered particularly attractive to most Asian men, yet is considered highly desirable. Why? It's the exoticness of being an Asian female, that's why.

In contrast, Asian men are usually depicted as technogeeks, evil overlords or hopeless buffoons. Almost never do you seem them portrayed as strong romantic role models. On ST:Voyager, for example, Harry Kim was known to date a little, yet his romantic actions always occurred in the background. The hit NBC show Heroes surprised me by having their main Japanese character, Hiro Nakamura, develop a romantic relationship with a beautiful young blonde woman. Even that relationship was short-lived though, without any passion or deep declarations of love being exchanged.

On Friends, a tv show set in New York, there were NO Black, Asian or Latino characters. From what I understand, they finally threw in a Black character in the last season to appease those who where pointing out the idiosyncrasy of an all white show set in New York City, of all places.
To be fair though, Ross did have a romantic relationship with Julie, a Chinese scholar, early in the second season. There were also some black background characters on various occasions. You're right, though; there was a definite lack of racial minorities on that show.

Mind you, I wouldn't be quick to blame NBC for their selection of the main cast of Friends. After all, I think that a cast should be selected based primarily on their talent and chemistry, rather than racial considerations. It's entirely possible that this particular cast had just the right chemistry they were looking for. Having said that, this Caucasian-centric selection does tend to permeate their shows, and the lack of background characters of differing ethnicities is likewise disappointing.
 
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No matter what race you are, you decide what to do. And if you get rejected you just narrow the field even more until at the end (of your search) you have one perfect beautiful woman !

The problem is people watch to much television :p getting brainwashed and intimidated by the media, telling you, your not special!

And in my personal experience I grew up in Asia, North America and Europe and had never problems dating with girls from different races, only hispanics and blacks I have not dated yet but I would love too ^^.
I think its really up to you and your attitude what you do and I think you have a great one!
 
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I have heard several white men make this comment as though they feel threatened that for the first time in history their collective power is being challenged. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you feel this way.
You're one of the most intelligent women on this board Voz. I mean that. But man alive, cut me some slack. My collective power is being challenged? Do you honestly believe that any decent white man thinks about his collective power or the European hegemony as though it were a personal thing? This is the sort of stuff reserved for ivory tower debates.

I'm talking about day to day reality. My dad use to sell food off of a van in local neighborhoods. There were a couple of occasions where an African-American woman came out and read him the riot act for taking advantage of those "poor black people". Do you think she had something against catering trucks or was it that my dad is white? It's an irony that some of the most racist people are those who claim to be victimized by racism.

There is a myth propagated by pop culture that Caucasians are living high on the hog at the expense of minorities. You seem to have bought that myth.
 
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You're one of the most intelligent women on this board Voz. I mean that. But man alive, cut me some slack. My collective power is being challenged? Do you honestly believe that any decent white man thinks about his collective power or the European hegemony as though it were a personal thing? This is the sort of stuff reserved for ivory tower debates.

I'm talking about day to day reality. My dad use to sell food off of a van in local neighborhoods. There were a couple of occasions where an African-American woman came out and read him the riot act for taking advantage of those "poor black people". Do you think she had something against catering trucks or was it that my dad is white? It's an irony that some of the most racist people are those who claim to be victimized by racism.

There is a myth propagated by pop culture that Caucasians are living high on the hog at the expense of minorities. You seem to have bought that myth.


Oh, boy. I knew I was opening up a can of worms. That's okay. I'm willing to engage you if we can keep this civil. I haven't bought into anything.

I don't believe this stuff is reserved for ivory tower debates. :) As Christians, I think we need to move these debates out of the ivory tower and into the real world because they are VERY relevant. Have you ever thought about hegemony on a local level and how it might operate? Perhaps it is a place to start. Why is it wrong to do so?


Ras, I'm talking about ideology. Of course the everday White person does not see how s/he is implicated in all of this. Of course the everday Black person does not see how s/he is implicated in all of this. The fact is we are all implicated in this. You would be surprised the stuff I've heard [white] people say to me when they let their guard down But, I am talking on the level of global systems. On a GLOBAL level, hegemony is very much intact and it dictates how the media operates and how ordinary, everyday, local citizens see themselves relationally. I would have been helpful to engage that African-American woman and ask her WHY she felt that way.

Ras, I am certainly NOT calling you a racist. I don't know you. Nor do I think that all White people are racists. But, I have heard White people express fear at becoming a minority, fear at not being able to get a job because they are white. Why is that when 75 percent of the world have lived this way for 1,000 years? What exactly are they afraid of? I think it's very interesting how people react when it looks like the tables might be turned, that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm asking you to think about instead of getting defensive or accusing me of buying into some myth. Have you actually studied the history of colonialism in the Third World and how it continues to impact Africa, Asia and Latin America today? The fact that most of the Third World's resources are being pilfered and directed OUT of their country is not a myth, but a statistical reality that sociologist, economists and historians have documented (I would be happy to share a list of readings with you). Before of blowing all this off as "myth" perhaps it would be helpful to understand this.

The reality is I, as a Christian, am asking for representational equality. We, as Christians, have the God-given capacity to show the world that things CAN be different. We have a message of reconciliation and hope for the world. I am not advocating a message of hate, separatism or vengance. But, in order to progress, we must acknowledge the political and economic reality of our world.
 
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Tonight, I received a message from a woman that I contacted on a Christian dating site (www.christiancafe.com, where I'm known as hopelessromantic162). She said that my profile was very well written, and that she liked everything about it. Unfortunately, she said that my racial background was a dealbreaker. "I'm not attracted to Asian men," she replied.

Darn. I really appreciated her graciousness and candor, and she clearly tried to let me down gently. Still, it's disappointing when one gets rejected because of one's race.

I'm not asking for a pity party, mind you. I just want to say that situations like these really stink.
Hi, just ignore it. Everybody has her/his own preferences about which kind of persons they want to be associated with. There should be someone for everyone over there.

In my experience some Asian people hate to be Asian just because they can't fit in the Caucation culture. Hope you won't be discouraged by that.
 
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I don't think race is all that important really, and I think that if you get to know a person's character and get to like them, it's worth giving it a shot, instead of judging up front. Who knows what she missed out on.

But on the other hand, maybe that is just because I could be attracted to any race...so it's easy for me to say that? I dunno. Just a thought.
Actually lots of people still think that race is very important because they are not willing to take the time to get to know people from other cultures. They stereotype people. They're usually very narrow-mined, highly conservative and/or think that their races are superior than others. They even don't bother to learn anything about other races/cultures/countries.

This has something to do with their desires of keeping pure racial identity because of their beliefs.
 
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Actually lots of people still think that race is very important because they are not willing to take the time to get to know people from other cultures. They stereotype people. They're usually very narrow-mined, highly conservative and/or think that their races are superior than others. They even don't bother to learn anything about other races/cultures/countries.

This has something to do with their desires of keeping pure racial identity because of their beliefs.
There is a lot of that in the South- even if it is 2007. I have memebers in my own family that are very narrow minded about race- even having friendships from other races. I've always had close friendships with people of other races. It's strange to me how some of the sweetest people otherwise can become very ugly and vocal simply b/c of the color of one's skin. It's sad how old ( and very wrong)beliefs can still hurt people today.
 
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That is exactly correct.

When this subject has come up in times past, I've often seen other guys say, "That's not true! What in the world are you talking about? Asian men are every bit as popular as whites, blacks or hispanics." Asian men themselves, however, would tell you a different story. They know full well that they're at the bottom of the dating pool.

I sometimes challenge people to name a single Asian male sex symbol. The most common answers? Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee, neither of whom fit the bill. Jackie Chan is known primarily as a comedic martial artist, rather than a romantic lead or an object of sexual attraction. Bruce Lee was known primarily for his tough guy image, and his posters adorned the walls of teenage boys rather than those of young women. He's also been dead for more than 30 years.
Those people who you asked the question don't know much about the Asian society...My students know a lot more than that. There is a great difference between people who're keen to Asian culture and those who just watch some non-classical Asian movies once or twice in their life time.
 
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There is a myth propagated by pop culture that Caucasians are living high on the hog at the expense of minorities. You seem to have bought that myth.

I'm going to have a disagree with you there also.......as someone who's lived in the Third World and seen the affects of global politics. I will say that what happens under the term "race relations" is the U.S is somewhat much more covert compared to what happens in Africa and Asia.

But that's another topic.....;)
 
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Asian men have an even harder time than black women do. You may have noticed that there are a large number of white male/Asian female pairings, but much fewer Asian male/white female couples. Believe me, the Asian male community is acutely aware that they're placed at the lower rungs of dating desirability.

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I can't figure that one out, Asian men are smart and successful, that is the impression I get, as for attractive, I can't say, attractiveness is an individual thing, I would have to see someone to say, "Hey, they are drop dead gorgeous!"



 
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Most Asians that I've seen are absolutely gorgeous. In fact, I have a strong desire to adopt an Asian child. (I'm set to be married, and my husband to be isn't Asian.) At any rate, I think that all races are beautiful. If I had fallen in love with an Asian, an African, an African American, a Mexican, a Spaniard, an Arab, etc.... that's what race I would be dating. In fact, I think it's odd that I fell in love with a white man.

I'm rambling. My point was to say: you deserve better. There are women out there who think that Asian men are GORGEOUS! :)

Love.
 
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