Getting Into Heaven

[Bro.T]

There you have it, FaithT. . .to get to heaven you must simply
1) repent -- turn from unbelief to
2) belief in the (blood, Ro 3:25) atoning work and person of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sin by his propitiation (removal of God's judgment on your sin, Ro 5 :9) on the cross which makes complete satisfaction, pays the debt completely for your sin,
3) followed then by a life of obedience to God in the Holy Spirit, which is sanctification ; i.e., actual righteousness (Ro 6:16, 19),
4) beginning that life with baptism.

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

 

[Clare73]

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

No doubt. . ."Faith and works go together, and you can't have one without the other."

While true faith has works, and works are the evidence of true faith, nevertheless, only one; i.e., faith, applies to salvation, works do not (Eph 2:8-9)-->"You are saved. . .through faith. . .not by works."

 

[Bro.T]

No doubt. . ."Faith and works go together, and you can't have one without the other."

While true faith has works, and works are the evidence of true faith, nevertheless, only one; i.e., faith, applies to salvation, works do not (Eph 2:8-9)-->"You are saved. . .through faith. . .not by works."

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Some say you must obey God's word, but then they turn around and teach contrary to God's word. At best they never get around to explaining exactly what kind of works are needed to get eternal life. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

 

[Clare73]

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Some say you must obey God's word, but then they turn around and teach contrary to God's word. At best they never get around to explaining exactly what kind of works are needed to get eternal life. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

I take that as agreement. . .

 

[Bro.T]

I take that as agreement. . .

I believe we both agree on faith and works, but according to the Bible I disagree because you said" nevertheless, only one; i.e., faith, applies to salvation, works do not (Eph 2:8-9)-->"You are saved. . .through faith. . .not by works."

Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works. Also Jesus says in (Matt. 16: (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man)

 

[Clare73]

I believe we both agree on faith and works, but according to the Bible I disagree because you said" nevertheless, only one; i.e., faith, applies to salvation, works do not (Eph 2:8-9)-->"You are saved. . .through faith. . .not by works."

Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works. Also Jesus says in (Matt. 16: (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man)

You either believe (Eph 2:8-9)-->"You are saved. . .through faith. . .not by works". . .or you don't.
I do.

 

[CoreyD]

I believe we both agree on faith and works, but according to the Bible I disagree because you said" nevertheless, only one; i.e., faith, applies to salvation, works do not (Eph 2:8-9)-->"You are saved. . .through faith. . .not by works."

Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works. Also Jesus says in (Matt. 16: (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man)

Some persons do not understand the difference between works of law, which Paul refers to, and works of faith, which you are referencing.

They have somehow separated the works from the law, which Paul said cannot make one righteous, and they have attached those works to Christ's law.
In other words, they have collected the old wine of the old covenant, and poured it into the new wineskins of the new covenant.

Now, the old wine is used to replace the new wine.
It's hard it seems to help some appreciate that... unless they realize the difference.

 

[Bro.T]

Some persons do not understand the difference between works of law, which Paul refers to, and works of faith, which you are referencing.

They have somehow separated the works from the law, which Paul said cannot make one righteous, and they have attached those works to Christ's law.
In other words, they have collected the old wine of the old covenant, and poured it into the new wineskins of the new covenant.

Now, the old wine is used to replace the new wine.
It's hard it seems to help some appreciate that... unless they realize the difference.

Hope you don't mind, but I want to dig in a little more, because I think you and I are on the same page. The works of the law Paul talks about is the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws.
These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Jesus died for us Paul says in (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[CoreyD]

Hope you don't mind, but I want to dig in a little more, because I think you and I are on the same page. The works of the law Paul talks about is the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws.
These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Jesus died for us Paul says in (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

I don't mind you digging at all. Digging is good... especially if it helps open the eyes of someone.

We may be on the same page, but I am looking at more on that page, than you may be looking at. I'm not sure.

Galatians 2:15, 16

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.​

These works of the law involve more than the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws.

Please see corresponding texts -

• Acts 13:38, 39 - you could not be justified by the law of Moses;
• Romans 3:19-31 - whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law... Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed... even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ;
• Romans 8:3 - what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh;
• Hebrews 7:18, 19 - on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.;
• Hebrews 9:9 - both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience;
• Hebrews 10:1 - the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect;
• Hebrews 13:9 - it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them

The law of Moses included the ten commandments, and the 600+ laws, which the nation of Israel were obligated to keep - to live by.
These constituted the old covenant.

The new covenant is far superior, and involves the royal law of love -“You must love your neighbor as yourself”.
This involves works of faith. Please read James 2:8-26

 

[Bro.T]

I don't mind you digging at all. Digging is good... especially if it helps open the eyes of someone.

We may be on the same page, but I am looking at more on that page, than you may be looking at. I'm not sure.

Galatians 2:15, 16

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.​

These works of the law involve more than the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws.

Please see corresponding texts -

• Acts 13:38, 39 - you could not be justified by the law of Moses;
• Romans 3:19-31 - whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law... Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed... even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ;
• Romans 8:3 - what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh;
• Hebrews 7:18, 19 - on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.;
• Hebrews 9:9 - both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience;
• Hebrews 10:1 - the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect;
• Hebrews 13:9 - it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them

The law of Moses included the ten commandments, and the 600+ laws, which the nation of Israel were obligated to keep - to live by.
These constituted the old covenant.

The new covenant is far superior, and involves the royal law of love -“You must love your neighbor as yourself”.
This involves works of faith. Please read James 2:8-26

I agree we have the Ten Commandment and the lord's Statues and Judgements, but I don't know where the 600 = laws come from. When the Bible or Paul speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. The laws (Commandments), Statues and Judgements we still keep, because the Bible speaks of those others laws nail to the cross.

Let's take a look at what Paul is saying in Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. (Paul breaks down more of this law in Hebrew 10th Chapter)

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

 

[CoreyD]

Are yo

I agree we have the Ten Commandment and the lord's Statues and Judgements, but I don't know where the 600 = laws come from. When the Bible or Paul speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. The laws (Commandments), Statues and Judgements we still keep, because the Bible speaks of those others laws nail to the cross.

Let's take a look at what Paul is saying in Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. (Paul breaks down more of this law in Hebrew 10th Chapter)

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Are you talking about the same law referred to at Romans 5:13?

 

[Bro.T]

Are yo

Are you talking about the same law referred to at Romans 5:13?

I was hoping you read or understood what Paul is saying Galatians 3rd Chapter. Two different laws Paul is talking about in Galatians.

 

[CoreyD]

I was hoping you read or understood what Paul is saying Galatians 3rd Chapter. Two different laws Paul is talking about in Galatians.

I could say the same about you, Bro.T.
However, that doesn't get us anywhere, does it.
There are not two different Laws in the old covenant. There is one Law constituting the old covenant.
People try to talk around that, but they never are able to demonstrate it.
When it all boils down, Matthew 5:17 won't become "a different law".
Holding on to the ten commandments won't save anyone.

 

[Bro.T]

I could say the same about you, Bro.T.
However, that doesn't get us anywhere, does it.
There are not two different Laws in the old covenant. There is one Law constituting the old covenant.
People try to talk around that, but they never are able to demonstrate it.

Yes there is. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord.

When it all boils down, Matthew 5:17 won't become "a different law".
Holding on to the ten commandments won't save anyone.

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

 

[CoreyD]

@David Lamb
The throne of God is in heaven, but does that mean that standing before the throne must be in heaven? No.

At Revelation 20:11, 12 it says,
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

These dead, both small and great, are not in heaven.
Do you argue that they are in heaven?

Neither the great multitude, nor the dead, great and small, are of the first resurrection, who will rule with Christ as kings and priests revelation 20:4-6, nor are they sealed as the 144,000 who are kings and priests, having the name of the father, and the lamb, written on their forehead. Revelation 14:1
Nor are these described as being "purchased (ransomed, redeemed) from the earth". Revelation 14:3

Of the great multitude, the Bible says, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. ‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’ nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’” Revelation 7:14-17

Revelation 21:2-4 says,
2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

However, I understand why this is not something we will agree on.
Please tell me though. why you assume the great multitude is in heaven. IIs the only reason because you read "before the throne" as being in the same place as the throne?
Do you go before God's throne? Do you kneel before God's throne?
Are you in heaven when you do so?

We must be careful David. We can easily take scriptures out of context, and not consider scriptures that help us understand what we read.
Revelation 7 tells us this:
1 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,

Consider the facts...

1. How many are sealed? Only 144,000 are sealed.
2. Revelation 14:1-4, says only 144,000 have the name of the father, and the lamb, written on their forehead, and are redeemed from the earth to Mount Zion - Heaven (Hebrews 12:22-24).
3. It is only Afterward, John sees a great multitude, which cannot be numbered, who are neither said to be sealed, redeemed from mankind, nor have God's name, and the lamb's name written upon their forehead. Rather, they are "of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb" Revelation 7:9.
4. These are two separate groups, who do not have the same destination, as seen also from the fact that the Lamb "who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” Revelation 7:17 As stated at Revelation 21:3, 4, which refers to people/mankind of whom it is said, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

The great multitude are mankind - of the earth.
Can you please pinpoint what you disagree with, and explain why, please.

 

[CoreyD]

Yes there is. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord.


A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

Okay, you separate the law that constitutes the Old Covenant. The Bible does not.
You take care, and do have a peaceful day.

 

[Bro.T]

Okay, you separate the law that constitutes the Old Covenant. The Bible does not.
You take care, and do have a peaceful day.

I'm sorry we must have different Bible.

peace in Jesus name

 

[Simonides]

I’m currently a Catholic who has been toying with the ideaof returning to a NonDenom church nearby. What I want to know is this…..Catholics believe in Purgatory, ND don’t. Protestants say Catholics can’t get to Heaven without works, Catholics say the opposite. What does one need to get to Heaven as a Protestant and as a Catholic?

You don't "get into heaven". Heaven, gets into you.

 

[David Lamb]

You don't "get into heaven". Heaven, gets into you.

Well, we read that Jesus went (back) to heaven:

“So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” (Mr 16:19 NKJV)

Heaven didn't somehow "get into" Jesus, neither does heaven get into the Christian.

 

[Aaron112]

According to the Bible, Jesus taught that the Kingdom of God is not a physical place or a future event, but rather a spiritual reality that is present and active within individuals. This concept is encapsulated in Luke 17:21, where Jesus says, “The kingdom of God is within you” (NKJV).