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Now the REAL question (for serious browny points with women) is have you read it, or seen it, and if you've seen it was it the tv adapation or the film?!renaistre said:It's from Pride and Prejudice. Mr. Collins thinks that a denial is really just an expression of modesty, and that it's an encouragement to continue his advances. It's pretty funny.
sunshinejennii said:Now the REAL question (for serious browny points with women) is have you read it, or seen it, and if you've seen it was it the tv adapation or the film?!
I love this! This was exactly what I was struggling with finding the words to say.OhhJim said:Heh, take notes, guys, if you ever ask out little tigress or Macrina. If, on the other hand, you ask out one of the other 3,000,000,000 women in the world...
Which is more fair, a generalization based on yourself as a woman, or a generalization based on personal experience with dozens of different women? Which is the larger database? You may know how YOU would react, but how does that help me with the next 5 women I ask out, none of which are you?
I think both the tourist and tsar have good suggestions. Personally, I'd take it one step further, if I really liked the woman, and she turned me down. I'd take another woman, and afterwards tell the first one what fun it was. This emphasizes a couple of things:
1. I'm not obsessing over you
2. I'm a fun guy, which other woman can see, even if you can't
You don't want her thinking that no other woman will go out with you, either. You do want her thinking that other women find you desirable.
OhhJim said:Heh, take notes, guys, if you ever ask out little tigress or Macrina. If, on the other hand, you ask out one of the other 3,000,000,000 women in the world...
Which is more fair, a generalization based on yourself as a woman, or a generalization based on personal experience with dozens of different women? Which is the larger database? You may know how YOU would react, but how does that help me with the next 5 women I ask out, none of which are you?
Macrina said:Hey, I can only speak for myself, and didn't claim to speak for the other 3,000,000,000. *shrug*
You know, I kinda like the thought that LT and I are just two out of billions. Makes a girl feel speshul.
renaistre said:It's from Pride and Prejudice. Mr. Collins thinks that a denial is really just an expression of modesty, and that it's an encouragement to continue his advances. It's pretty funny.
Macrina said:Hey, I can only speak for myself, and didn't claim to speak for the other 3,000,000,000. *shrug*
You know, I kinda like the thought that LT and I are just two out of billions. Makes a girl feel speshul.
Can't find anything wrong with anything you said. But I will say that this thread is about getting that first date. What if the girls you were attracted to were some sort of game players to a degree (maybe out of defensiveness) and the girls you DO have access to you could give a rat about? Been there.blairellis said:One thing I will say, is Im not going to play games to get a date. If shes playing games with me, well, thats her loss and I understand that it is basically a coverup for a poor self image and she saved me a whole bunch of time, money and effort. The other side to the coin is, she also missed out on something great. I know who I am and what I offer as far as a relationship would be concerned.
Now on the other hand, dating a woman and pursuing her, (Using the wild at heart book here) is a good thing. If you havent read any of Eldrichs books, you need to put down the mouse and lay off the keyboard and go get into one of his or his wifes books.
blairellis said:One thing I will say, is Im not going to play games to get a date. If shes playing games with me, well, thats her loss and I understand that it is basically a coverup for a poor self image and she saved me a whole bunch of time, money and effort. The other side to the coin is, she also missed out on something great. I know who I am and what I offer as far as a relationship would be concerned.
renaistre said:It's from Pride and Prejudice. Mr. Collins thinks that a denial is really just an expression of modesty, and that it's an encouragement to continue his advances. It's pretty funny.
One, you wouldn't go out with me anyway because of the taboo of age difference so that's a moot point. I'm not acting cocky I am merely acting confident. And regardless of your assumptions, my approach has generated more yes responses than I previously had. I will be the first to point out that it IS a form of rhetorical manipulation but if it gets me a date and some time to prove myself with a person who would otherwise reject me then I say go for it. There were a couple women who agreed to go out with me and later admitted that they really only agreed to because I had "vebally bested them". But then they said that afterward when they were on the date they really had a good time and were glad they went. There are a lot of people in this board who have thrown out many scenarios but it's all in theory. A hallmark of the female psyche is that there is usually a marked difference between what you all say you want and will accept and what you actually end up with.Llauralin said:Deliberatetourist:
I'm sorry if this is offensive, but... well... I've been reading your posts here and in other threads, and almost without exception they're trhowing up masses of red flags. I wouldn't go out one date with a person who approaches things as you do, no matter how I were asked.
Forgive me if this isn't what you're intending to say, but what I have from you so far is: Act cocky, fake uber-confidence, and if she refuses rub it in her face that you didn't actually care about her, had exactly the same experience with another girl (who you just used BTW), and that she missed out on a really good time. If the nice girls still refuse to go out with you, pretend to be interested in missions, and go on a trip to the Phillipines, sponsered by others, because there the nice women will think you're something really special, give your ego a boost, andd possibly go out with you, because they can't recognize Western signals for "I am an uncaring creep."
In reality that may not be the case but that is how it is portrayed in order to get the desired response. No one likes to lose.Alexander1982 said:So from what I read so far and this is what I have interpreted is this
A guy who likes a girl and takes up the courage to ask her out, but she says no.....it is the girl who is on the losing side but not the guy...
Why would you lose dignity? Is there any more dignity in getting slammed by 10 gals in a row because you couldn't get past their contrived defense mechanisms? If the afforementioned approach works then one guy is gonna be enjoying an evening with the gal he wanted to be with while you , "Mr. Dignity" are sitting in your private corner trying to ignore all the undesirable types who are vyeing for your attention.Alexander1982 said:If it not the case in reality, what is it that the guy loses? Apart from dignity
Deliberatetourist said:you couldn't get past their contrived defense mechanisms?
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