Does anyone know of any German Shepard breeders around SC? We are looking for someone who does cause we lost our girl last year, and wanted to breed our male.
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dd24ck said:Does anyone know of any German Shepard breeders around SC? We are looking for someone who does cause we lost our girl last year, and wanted to breed our male.
I hope you're not serious!
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What kind of health clearances and titles does you male have?
If he is actually cleared, and a good specimin for breeding I'm sure the vet that has done his testing can point you in the right direction.
If he is actually cleared, and a good specimin for breeding I'm sure the vet that has done his testing can point you in the right direction.
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dd24ck said:
You probably are serious, and I find that disturbing. German ShepHERDS (Not "Shepards") have suffered from irresponsible and careless breeding. I currently have a rescue GSD with nearly every genetic defect known to the breed. He has cost us nearly $10,000 in vet bills for surgeries and tests in the 6 years we've had him. With the treatments for allergies and the special diet he must eat, keeping him alive and healthy costs several hundred dollars per year (that's not included in the $10,000, BTW--that is in ADDITION to it!).
What health tests have you done on your male--OFA hips and elbows? vWD? Thyroid? What lines is he from? Do you know if there is DM in his lines? Epilepsy? Hip or elbow dysplasia? Do you show him? Work him in herding or Schutzhund? Has he earned any titles? What makes him breedworthy? What is your goal in breeding the dogs?
I am not asking these questions to be snotty or mean--I am asking because there are so many German Shepherds in rescues and in shelters. Some are put down because of health or temperament problems; far too many are put down simply because there are no homes for them. The last time I looked up German Shepherds on Petfinders.com for my state, there were 6 PAGES of German Shepherds (purebred and mixes) listed in shelters and rescues throughout the state . . . only 1 state, with 135 GSD's needing homes. Multiply that times 49, for the remaining states, and you'll get an idea of why the idea of breeding more alarms me.
Suppose you breed a female dog to your male; are you prepared to lose her--and the puppies--during whelping? Females die. Puppies die. It is not unusual. Are you prepared to raise the pups yourself if she decides motherhood is not for her? Are you prepared to pay for a C-section, if she is unable to deliver normally? What are you going to do with the puppies if you are unable to sell them? You may have 7 or 8 puppies in the litter . . . and be stuck with most or all of them. What will happen to them? How do you plan to screen potential buyers? What contract will you have for the puppies? Do you believe that, in creating those lives, that you are responsible for those lives--as long as they live? Will you take a puppy back at any time, should the new owner be unable or unwilling to keep it? Even if the pup is 7, 8 or more years old, with health problems? I know breeders who will . . .and I respect them for it.
Here are some links that may explain it better than I have:
www.dog-play.com/etthics.html
www.frii.com/~phouka/puppy/hdr_ethics.html
www.geocities.com/learntobreed/
www.freestats.com/legacy/old_code.html
www.wonderpuppy.net/breeding/htm#breeding
www.wonderpuppy.net/breedingposts/htm#emily
Unfortunately, I don't have a link to the post from the breeder (on another forum) whose female had to given hourly injections of oxytocin to stimulate contractions, who still had to be taken in for an emergency C-section, who had 4 puppies dead inside of her, who rejected the living puppies and had to be watched constantly so she wouldn't kill them. This breeder had been breeding for nearly 20 years, and had never experienced anything like this before. I personally know another breeder of German Shepherds who had only 1 puppy in the litter, seemed large and healthy . . .and died for no apparent reason before it was 3 months old. Bad stuff happens.
Please read before you breed. If you decide to go ahead with breeding, please educate yourself on what you must do to ensure the lives and safety of the dam and puppies. Be prepared for whatever can go wrong. Be responsible for the lives of the puppies, for as long as they live. You created them; you are responsible for them.
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It looks to me like that is what dd24 is trying to do, educate himself. He already knows enough to look for a reputable breeder.
I agree that the German Shepherd breed has been carelessly bred, but it appears to me that dd24ck is trying to be a responsible breeder.
I had a German Shepherd female named "Sedna" who was an awesome specimen. She was a beautiful dog with a gentle spirit and heart of gold.
I wish you the best of luck dd24ck in finding the right female to have bred with the male German Shepherd you have.
I agree that the German Shepherd breed has been carelessly bred, but it appears to me that dd24ck is trying to be a responsible breeder.
I had a German Shepherd female named "Sedna" who was an awesome specimen. She was a beautiful dog with a gentle spirit and heart of gold.
I wish you the best of luck dd24ck in finding the right female to have bred with the male German Shepherd you have.
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repentandbelieve said:
No responsible breeder would sell a puppy without a spay/neuter contract, particularly not to anyone with plans to breed an untitled dog with no health clearances.
I will say that I do NOT know whether or not dd24ck has titles or health clearances on his male. If he has, then I wish him the best of luck in finding a compatable female. If not, then I hope he educates himself on responsible breeding before he begins.
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I understand your somewhat zellous stance, but it does seem like you jumped to the conclusion that he knew nothing and had done no research, just because he misspelled the breed's name. I love dogs but I may have done the same, asked to spot-spell it. My fiancee and I have taken 3 dogs, 2 from humane shelters and 1 from a person who was selling Beagle pups. All 3 will be neutered. But I do expect to eventually be in the market for a great dane for my then wife, and perhaps a rottie for myself. I hope that if I ask any questions about finding a good breeder, I will not meet such presumptive ridicule.
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How is trying to understand and possibly educate a person considered redicule?
And for getting other dogs, have you considered breed rescue? Why buy from a breeder if you plan to alter the animals?
And for getting other dogs, have you considered breed rescue? Why buy from a breeder if you plan to alter the animals?
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I found it a little abrasive myself.shayd said:
I appreciate the fact that she did give all the info though, she obviously cares. But still someone isn't automatically an idiot because they misspell a word, I'm sure you've done it at least once.
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Key Of David said:
Yes, I was probably abrasive. Probably a bit harsh. I won't apologize for that, nor for correcting his spelling of the name of the breed. If you want to breed dogs, shouldn't you at least know how to spell the breed's name correctly?
I could have given dd24ck the names of some breeders I know of in Tennesee and Georgia; they would have told him the same thing I did, and less poliitely than I did.
When you breed dogs, you are creating lives--those puppies. You are responsible for them, and I believe you are responsible for them all their lives. If dd24ck has health tested and titled his male, if the dog has proven himself breedworthy, if the goal of the breeding is to improve the breed, and if he will be there for those puppies for as long as they live, THEN I will back down. There are far too many German Shepherds being bred simply because someone wants to breed, and doesn't take the time or effort to do it right. And the ones who suffer are the dogs.
I will tell the story of my GSD in another thread. Maybe that will help you understand my reaction to this post.
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Hey you can criticize me on my spelling, but I'll tell you that I am a female not a male. Don't act like I'm dumb. My dog has been tested and so was his family. His parents came from Germany.
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dd24ck said:
I apologize for getting your gender wrong; I didn't look closely enough at your signature line, and I will be more careful in the future.
If I thought you were dumb, I would not have given you all the information I did. If you know your dog's lines, what is behind them, and he has passed all his health clearances, why not ask his breeder for help in finding a suitable female for him? Why ask a bunch of total strangers on a public forum? His breeder should know the lines better than anyone here, and what would be a complementary mating for him.
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I asked this because we got him in NY and we live in SC. We were thinking about going back to where we got our in female (also in NY) so that we can have her blood line. We paid an extra $150 when we got him so we could breeding rights on him.
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