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George Best
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Some people are unable to take responsibility for themselves, such as chronic alcoholics. It seems Thatcher was right, there is no such thing as society if we can simply wash our hands of our responsibility to help these people.
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As I already said, some people are unable to take responsibility for themselves, they are unable to seek help. SO..do we still wash our hands of them?
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theFijian said:
This is getting off-topic, since there was much more to George Best's life than alcoholism, but maybe he would welcome the idea of it being discussed.
What would you do? Section them?
There is no way of forcibly curing somebody of an addiction - would you keep them permanently locked up for their own protection?
We all have the right to choose for ourselves how we live our lives, and that carries responsibility. Alcoholics are not insane - they understand the consequences of their actions. We can support them in making better choices in life, but those choices remain theirs.
Nobody has said we should 'wash our hands' of them. But most people who help to support addicts know that they have to want to be helped.
The first step is to admit they have a problem, the next is to seek help. You cannot force another person to believe they have a problem. You cannot force them to seek help. They have to take those first steps for themselves. Only then can the rest of us help them up.
There is a separate forum for these issues, so I don't want to get too deeply involved here, but...
http://www.aa.org/default/en_about_aa_sub.cfm?subpageid=84&pageid=13
the original 12-step program, for anyone interested.
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Martin^^ said:
No, but whilst not disagreeing with the rest of your post my original point was that if I ran an off-licence or pub I would not serve them alcohol. But apparently I'm in a minority there.
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theFijian said:
That's a bit unfair on Paul_Norn_Iron. He obviously admires the late George Best.
There's a reason why he's referred to as the "Best"!
He was definitely "up there" alongside the likes of Pele. Today's footie stars are crawling in a pit fully of money which corrupts them and their fans, badly lacking in natural talent or charm. Best will be missed..
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Idolising someone we didn´t know? No, we Northern Irish folk didn´t idolise George Best...we loved him. warts and all. We all knew him...to all of us he was a local lad with a great gift (football), charisma, and also with the honesty to admit he had a problem that was bigger than him. He never tried to be something he wasn´t. Never tried to put on a posh accent but until the last spoke with a beautiful Belfast accent.
He made mistakes, sad ones but as Pastor Gordon said at the funeral, instead of criticising we should remember that there but for the grace of God go I.
To us he wasn´t just a footballer, he was wee Georgie Best, one of us.
He made mistakes, sad ones but as Pastor Gordon said at the funeral, instead of criticising we should remember that there but for the grace of God go I.
To us he wasn´t just a footballer, he was wee Georgie Best, one of us.
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It certainly was, my grandmother's a friend of Roy Gordon the request of the Best family, much to the fustration of the power's (not too powerful in this instance, however) that be.
George Best never blamed any one else but himself. I'm sure he's grateful for all the pity.
George Best never blamed any one else but himself. I'm sure he's grateful for all the pity.
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To those who point a finger at George Best...remember three fingers are pointing at you yourself. If you get to heaven before I do say hello to Georgie for me.
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Nepenthe said:Perhaps not ironic at all, perhaps perfect timing.I noticed Bests picture on the front page of one newspaper last week (forget which one), sitting in a hospital bed, looking pretty grim with the tag 'These are the pictures George Best wants you to see' or words to that effect.
I only saw the paper in passing, so I didn't read the details, but it did cross my mind as to why would you want people to see you like that if not to make them understand how dire things were? Then again, I may well be overanalysing.
I reckon you've hit the nail on the head. I heard he was approached to support an alcohol awareness charity called thirst for life but died before he gave an answer.
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Aileen said:
I was not aware that Best was in fact a born-again Christian. It's a shame his lifestyle did not reflect his profession of faith.
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Jesus Christ said to the thief on the cross....Today you will be with me in heaven. His life style? That is the wonderful work of grace.
The Bible also says that some will be saved " by the skin of their teeth" "pulled like a brand from the fire" and that some will suffer punishment in heaven.
The Bible also says that some will be saved " by the skin of their teeth" "pulled like a brand from the fire" and that some will suffer punishment in heaven.
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Seems mighty unfair to me if some creep has a deathbed conversion, and goes to heaven, yet an atheist who has led a very good life goes to hell, no justice in that at all imo!
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Aileen said:
And you have evidence of Georgie's death bed coversion of course.
Tangnefedd said:
Well thank goodness we are saved by grace and not by works, if that's what you're clinging to then you had better be very very good this Christmas.
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