Geologic time scale

[Cactus Jack]

In short- what is your theory of the geologic time scale and what do you have to back it up?
No arguments, please. Just a discussion.

 

[Joshua0]

In short- what is your theory of the geologic time scale and what do you have to back it up?
No arguments, please. Just a discussion.

Yes God gave us a way to measure time. We read about this in Genesis 1: "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" So God does establish markers to show us the different ages. So they all have a beginning and an end. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. God always knows the end from the beginning. Every end has a beginning and every beginning has an end. When we walk with God then we can know the end. Because God shows us.

LOTS of people do not understand this though. They try to claim the Bible is "wrong" when the problem is clearly with their understanding of the Bible. With all of their PhD's and all of their learning, they still can not figure it out. But no wonder, because: "God gives wisdom, knowledge, and joy to those who please Him." Ecc 2:26 If they do not please God, then people should not be surprised if they do not understand the hidden things of God: "The mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints." col 1:26

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

In short- what is your theory of the geologic time scale and what do you have to back it up?
No arguments, please. Just a discussion.

Geologic time scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Lucy Stulz]

In short- what is your theory of the geologic time scale and what do you have to back it up?
No arguments, please. Just a discussion.

Geologic time scale is no more of a theory than a calendar or datebook is a theory.

It is a record of what happened when.

Did this happen before that? It relies on such shockingly strange concepts as "superposition" (if something is on top of something else it likely is younger than what it is on top of. Unless it is clear it was turned upside down), and the controversial Law of Inclusions which states that if a cunk of something is inside a bigger chunk of something then the thing inside is probably older than the thimg it is inside of.

There is a lot more to it than that and with the advent of radiometric dating and other means of absolute dating we get a good clear idea of the timeline.

 

[Cactus Jack]

I guess I was too vague.
I'm talking about the comparison between the geologic time scale and biblical time scale.

 

[TheBear]

In short- what is your theory of the geologic time scale and what do you have to back it up?
No arguments, please. Just a discussion.

It's all a lie. The Bible says so.

 

[USincognito]

I guess I was too vague.
I'm talking about the comparison between the geologic time scale and biblical time scale.

IM(and others)O, Genesis teaches a theological lesson, not a history lesson and thus doesn't really contain a time scale.

The geological record does contain a history lesson.
Geologic Time: Contents

 

[Oafman]

I guess I was too vague.
I'm talking about the comparison between the geologic time scale and biblical time scale.

The vast difference between the two (6000 years vs 4.6bn) is a product of the vast difference of peoples' understanding of science in the present day, and in the bronze age.

Now we have a pretty good understanding of how the Earth works, and how it came to be, so we can be pretty accurate about the changes to it that have occurred. The people who wrote the bible had almost none of this knowledge, so it's inevitable that their guesses turned out to be so wrong.

 

[Cactus Jack]

The issue I cannot understand is about the age of the Earth. I have met a variety of Christians that allege the earth is only 6,000 years old. They claim the fossils found were killed off by the Great Flood. But they cannot account for the placement of the fossils.

Being that I have worked around the geology/mining field for a long time, I stand firm b the age 4.8 billion years. And I have yet to find anyone that can explain, as I said already, the placement of the fossils.

 

[Cactus Jack]

I was working on my reply when yours came up.

The vast difference between the two (6000 years vs 4.6bn) is a product of the vast difference of peoples' understanding of science in the present day, and in the bronze age.

Now we have a pretty good understanding of how the Earth works, and how it came to be, so we can be pretty accurate about the changes to it that have occurred. The people who wrote the bible had almost none of this knowledge, so it's inevitable that their guesses turned out to be so wrong.

Except it's not the writers that decided on the age, but people living here and now.

 

[Lucy Stulz]

I guess I was too vague.
I'm talking about the comparison between the geologic time scale and biblical time scale.

The geologic time scale is predicated on observation of the data from earth's actual history. The bible's timescale is a written account of unknown authorship bearing similarities in form to a "creation myth" written by people with no actual understanding of the data or acquaintence with the data from a pre scientific era.

 

[twinc]

The geologic time scale is predicated on observation of the data from earth's actual history. The bible's timescale is a written account of unknown authorship bearing similarities in form to a "creation myth" written by people with no actual understanding of the data or acquaintence with the data from a pre scientific era.

the geological column can only be found in imagination and textbooks - the Bible is authored by the creator of science and scientists including the misled and misleading ones writing about the "evolution myth" - twinc

 

[Wiccan_Child]

the geological column can only be found in imagination and textbooks

Yep, no strata there...

the Bible is authored by the creator of science

Science is a self-correcting methodology devised by humans to acquire knowledge about the world. Whatever your beliefs about the universe, God did not create science.

and scientists including the misled and misleading ones writing about the "evolution myth" - twinc

So all those fossils and radiometric dates and genetic analyses and 150 years of successful predictions... it's all a giant hoax? 99+% of scientists are all in on this greatest of conspiracies?

When you have to start inventing conspiracy theories to preserve your own beliefs, you've already lost.

 

[Joshua0]

I have met a variety of Christians that allege the earth is only 6,000 years old.

Everything in the Bible talks about the last 6,000 years. Except for the very first Chapter in Genesis. From there you have to learn about shadows and types. Even Chapter one for GAP people is a Shadow and a Type.

 

[Joshua0]

Yep, no strata there...

The red from the great oxygen event took place 2.4 billion years ago.

 

[Split Rock]

the geological column can only be found in imagination and textbooks - the Bible is authored by the creator of science and scientists including the misled and misleading ones writing about the "evolution myth" - twinc

False. You can find nearly the entire column here in North Dakota. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/
http://explorationgeology.com/public_html/Images/WY Strat Nomenclture web.jpg

 

[Lucy Stulz]

the geological column can only be found in imagination and textbooks

You mean like time in general or calendars? Same sort of thing really.

The Geologic Column is a way of organizing the data that has been collected over the past 200 or so years.

I will point out it is based on standard dating techniques, both relative and absolute, and isn't much more "controversial" than that.

I used to sit on the table in front of my geo 1 classes and ask them which was there first? Was I sitting here hovering in space about 3' above the ground and the table put in below me or was the table there first and I sat on it?

- the Bible is authored by the creator of science

Thankfully he wrote in Hebrew! It's nice that there's a preferred language of the Creator.

and scientists including the misled and misleading ones writing about the "evolution myth" - twinc

Trust me: there's almost no one in the sciences who are wanting to "mislead" anyone when they talk about evolution.

Your "opinion" of the science as "misleading" or the scientists as "misled" would seem to indicate you have a better mechanism for explaining the data.

(And by "better" I obviously mean one that doesn't require even a nodding acquaintance with the actual data or science.)

 

[Lucy Stulz]

False. You can find nearly the entire column here in North Dakota. The Entire Geologic Column in North Dakota
http://explorationgeology.com/public_html/Images/WY Strat Nomenclture web.jpg

I dunno, but it looks to me like N. Dakota might have some theological 'splainin' to do...ESPECIALLY in the Cambrian. "Damnation LS"? "Devil's Glen Dol."?

Devil's Glenn Dolomite looks like it correlates with the "Deadwood Fm". I believe if I recall correctly I poked around the Deadwood Fm down near Lead, SD back in undergrad.

 

[Naraoia]

I dunno, but it looks to me like N. Dakota might have some theological 'splainin' to do...ESPECIALLY in the Cambrian. "Damnation LS"? "Devil's Glen Dol."?

Clearly the remains of the Garden of Eden.

@Joshua: If that's a picture of the Grand Canyon, then everything you can see in it is younger than the Great Oxygenation Event. (nice diagram)