Geologic Proof of an old earth creation.

Irkle Berserkle said:

Sure, but does your explanation factor in that the Earth is actually flat?

I live close to the Grand Canyon and visit several times a year. I think it pretty well speaks for itself that the earth is extremely old. I have a soft spot for Young Earth Creationists, but their "science" might be more accurately described as "desperation." Fortunately, salvation doesn't hinge on how old we believe the creation is.

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jesuslover811 said:

Atheists act like evolution and earth formation is the end all be all for Christianity. Like I do not really care how God did it he could do anything he wants.

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SavedByGrace3 said:

Looking at this cross section of a location in the Grand Canyon.

1. What we are looking at first, at the bottom we see limestone, which is rock that is formed by the bodies of early life falling to the bottom of deep oceans.
2. This rock is covered by other sedimentary layers.
3. The surface raises above sea level. It is then covered by lava formations that were laid down on dry land by volcanic activity.
4. Then, the volcanic rock was worn down and shows evidence of vegetation.
5. Then the volcanic rock was covered over by more sedimentary layers.
6. The next occurrence would be a crustal uplifting causing the layers to become diagonal.
7. The diagonal rock was in the form of mountains which were then eroded away leveling the formation.
8. Then more sedimentary rocks were laid down, some of which were limestone indicating the surface has again submerged below the ocean.

Many young earth creationists will state that all these formations occurred over a couple months during Noah's flood.

Here is the issue.
We see layers of sedimentary rock including limestone(life), followed by a dry-land layer of lava, followed by erosion and vegetation, followed by more sedimentary layers, followed by crustal upheaval forming diagonal layers, followed by the erosion of those layers down flat, followed by more sedimentary layers (including limestone, again life beneath an ocean), and finally back to the current dry earth of southwest USA. There is simply no way that this history could be formed during a 120-day flood. We can only conclude that all of these formations we made over a very long period of time, long before Adam and Eve were made in the Garden of Eden.

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SavedByGrace3 said:

Looking at this cross section of a location in the Grand Canyon.

1. What we are looking at first, at the bottom we see limestone, which is rock that is formed by the bodies of early life falling to the bottom of deep oceans.
2. This rock is covered by other sedimentary layers.
3. The surface raises above sea level. It is then covered by lava formations that were laid down on dry land by volcanic activity.
4. Then, the volcanic rock was worn down and shows evidence of vegetation.
5. Then the volcanic rock was covered over by more sedimentary layers.
6. The next occurrence would be a crustal uplifting causing the layers to become diagonal.
7. The diagonal rock was in the form of mountains which were then eroded away leveling the formation.
8. Then more sedimentary rocks were laid down, some of which were limestone indicating the surface has again submerged below the ocean.

Many young earth creationists will state that all these formations occurred over a couple months during Noah's flood.

Here is the issue.
We see layers of sedimentary rock including limestone(life), followed by a dry-land layer of lava, followed by erosion and vegetation, followed by more sedimentary layers, followed by crustal upheaval forming diagonal layers, followed by the erosion of those layers down flat, followed by more sedimentary layers (including limestone, again life beneath an ocean), and finally back to the current dry earth of southwest USA. There is simply no way that this history could be formed during a 120-day flood. We can only conclude that all of these formations we made over a very long period of time, long before Adam and Eve were made in the Garden of Eden.

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Maria Billingsley said:

Why is it so difficult to belive that Moses only recorded His lineage ? And those thereafter followed suit?

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SuperCow said:

Actually, the question should be: Ancient Sumerians, Egyptians, and Babylonians recorded their lineage, and we have examples in museums all over the world that other civilizations did so as well. Why would it be so difficult to believe that Moses, Abraham, and other patriarchs would do the same thing?

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SavedByGrace3 said:

Looking at this cross section of a location in the Grand Canyon.

1. What we are looking at first, at the bottom we see limestone, which is rock that is formed by the bodies of early life falling to the bottom of deep oceans.
2. This rock is covered by other sedimentary layers.
3. The surface raises above sea level. It is then covered by lava formations that were laid down on dry land by volcanic activity.
4. Then, the volcanic rock was worn down and shows evidence of vegetation.
5. Then the volcanic rock was covered over by more sedimentary layers.
6. The next occurrence would be a crustal uplifting causing the layers to become diagonal.
7. The diagonal rock was in the form of mountains which were then eroded away leveling the formation.
8. Then more sedimentary rocks were laid down, some of which were limestone indicating the surface has again submerged below the ocean.

Many young earth creationists will state that all these formations occurred over a couple months during Noah's flood.

Here is the issue.
We see layers of sedimentary rock including limestone(life), followed by a dry-land layer of lava, followed by erosion and vegetation, followed by more sedimentary layers, followed by crustal upheaval forming diagonal layers, followed by the erosion of those layers down flat, followed by more sedimentary layers (including limestone, again life beneath an ocean), and finally back to the current dry earth of southwest USA. There is simply no way that this history could be formed during a 120-day flood. We can only conclude that all of these formations we made over a very long period of time, long before Adam and Eve were made in the Garden of Eden.

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Maria Billingsley said:

Except Moses starts from Adam and Eve. The rest ?

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SavedByGrace3 said:

When I talk to flat earthers, I come away thinking that I am not really going to be able to relate with them. I respect them as people and wish them the best, but they come across as ignorant and stubborn. I do not mean that as insulting or I am not trying to be cruel or dismissive. I am just saying if I was going to hire a geologist to complete a million-dollar survey, I would certainly not hire them. And if I am having a similar discussion and they introduce that they are believers in the gospel, what am I supposed to think of their testimony? Please believe me, I am not being condescending toward them or dismissive of them as people. But there is a problem.
I know that faith is evidence of things not seen, i.e. the invisible God. I can say that and so can you because we are not claiming to base that belief on anything scientific. We admit that it is a faith. Nobody can really refute it.
But some believe that faith is the denial of things that are. For instance the subject at hand. There is simply no logical way that the earth can only be 6000 years old. There is no way that the geologic formations on the earth were all generated during the 120 days of the flood. There is no way the flood created all the fossil evidence. If the creation is only 6000 years old, then there is no way we can see stars that are further away than 6000 years. The rest of the universe would be invisible to use because the light from those stars has not reached us. We now see multitudes of galaxies and other celestial formations that we should not be able to see. These objects are billions of light-years away and we should not see their light yet. The only conclusion we can make is that the universe is very very old. But when people insist the universe is only 6000 years away, they come across very much like the flat-earth believers. I know they are well-intentioned and I am sure they love God. But if they deny reality and believe in leaps of illogic, then should I trust them to make life decisions about my faith and living? If they make no sense regarding things that are visible, how can we trust them regarding things that are invisible? It would be better if they just said nothing at all. I can trust the poster who said they just believe God created it all and do not need proof. I agree. I take it as a matter of faith and I do not deny the reality that we see around us. But those who make statements like "the universe is only 6000 years" old lose me because evidence and common sense refute this. If you deny reality... how can we trust your testimony?
So God and all the truth we know about Him and the spiritual is both logical and makes perfect sense. I totally refute the idea that God does not make sense and His creation is full of confusion and (apparently) lies. In the end, it is difficult to relate to people who do not make sense, and demand that you not make sense either.

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SavedByGrace3 said:

Looking at this cross section of a location in the Grand Canyon.

1. What we are looking at first, at the bottom we see limestone, which is rock that is formed by the bodies of early life falling to the bottom of deep oceans.
2. This rock is covered by other sedimentary layers.
3. The surface raises above sea level. It is then covered by lava formations that were laid down on dry land by volcanic activity.
4. Then, the volcanic rock was worn down and shows evidence of vegetation.
5. Then the volcanic rock was covered over by more sedimentary layers.
6. The next occurrence would be a crustal uplifting causing the layers to become diagonal.
7. The diagonal rock was in the form of mountains which were then eroded away leveling the formation.
8. Then more sedimentary rocks were laid down, some of which were limestone indicating the surface has again submerged below the ocean.

Many young earth creationists will state that all these formations occurred over a couple months during Noah's flood.

Here is the issue.
We see layers of sedimentary rock including limestone(life), followed by a dry-land layer of lava, followed by erosion and vegetation, followed by more sedimentary layers, followed by crustal upheaval forming diagonal layers, followed by the erosion of those layers down flat, followed by more sedimentary layers (including limestone, again life beneath an ocean), and finally back to the current dry earth of southwest USA. There is simply no way that this history could be formed during a 120-day flood. We can only conclude that all of these formations we made over a very long period of time, long before Adam and Eve were made in the Garden of Eden.

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Aussie Pete said:

Get a clear container, part fill it with dirt, preferably a sandy soil that mixes readily with water. Stir well and leave to settle. It will form layers remarkably like the Grand Canyon. I've read research that suggests this happened during Noah's flood. The argument includes a statement that there is no significant vegetation between layers.

This technique was popular for a while with ornaments. They were usually flat glass with the sandy layers between two pieces. They looked interesting enough but it seems to be a fad that has passed.

We do not know what was under what is now the Grand Canyon. Perhaps the sedimentary layers are on top of existing rock. If you want a complete explanation, look up Dr Walt Brown. He has been researching this for decades. I've been to the Grand Canyon, but my geological skills are about zero. It's truly amazing, so I just enjoyed the wonder of it all.

Having said all that, I believe in the old earth, pre Adamic creation theory myself. No one can prove it one way or the other. It just makes much more sense to me than YE.

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