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Geocentrists Unite!

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:wave: to my brothers and sisters who are geocentrists like myself!

Pull the other one. There are some idiots out there, who are idiots even by creationist standards, but if you describe yourself as a Christian seeker, you are not one of them.
 
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Pull the other one. There are some idiots out there, who are idiots even by creationist standards, but if you describe yourself as a Christian seeker, you are not one of them.
I am not interested in communicating with people who do not display Christ-like behavior and speech.
 
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:wave: to my brothers and sisters who are geocentrists like myself!

Out of curiosity, how do you explain space travel? I recall we had someone a number of years back try to justify geocentrism via noninertial reference frames, but as he worked through it, he realized that approach broke down into nonsense as any arbitrary point could be called the "center" of any system.
 
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[serious];65190514 said:
Out of curiosity, how do you explain space travel? I recall we had someone a number of years back try to justify geocentrism via noninertial reference frames, but as he worked through it, he realized that approach broke down into nonsense as any arbitrary point could be called the "center" of any system.
As you just admitted, any point can be called the center ... even the Earth :thumbsup:
 
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Here are you'r brethren the flat earthers The Flat Earth Society - Index. Unite against Science! :preach:

Things like Science, thinking, logic and data. Thats the work of the Satan trying to fool you christians. Instead you should go back to what the Bible teaches. A Snowglobeish world with a firmament

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Here are you'r brethren the flat earthers The Flat Earth Society - Index. Unite against Science! :preach: Things like Science, thinking, logic and data. Thats the work of the Satan trying to fool you christians. Instead you should go back to what the Bible teaches. A Snowglobeish world with a firmament
Emeritus Distinguished Professor George Ellis, Cosmologist & Mathematician: "People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations. For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that."
 
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netzarim said:
Emeritus Distinguished Professor George Ellis, Cosmologist & Mathematician: "People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations. For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that."
this looks quote-mined. Have you read the book, paper, whatever, it comes from?
 
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Emeritus Distinguished Professor George Ellis, Cosmologist & Mathematician: "People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations. For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that."
(It's good manners to cite the webpage you copy-and-paste quotations from)

I disagree with the good professor: the Earth is not an inertial reference frame. An inertial reference frame positioned on Earth would see the planet begin to move away as it accelerates around the Sun. One can create a non-inertial frame, of course, but that's like getting on a merry-go-round and declaring that the entire universe is revolving around you.

Gravitation and relativity do not imply heliocentrism and geocentrism are equivalent since acceleration is not relative.

Question: how 'hard' is your geocentrism? That is, do you believe the Earth rotates, or that the celestial sphere rotates around us?

Question: why are you a geocentrism? What prompted this conclusion? Religion? Science? Punk rebellion against The System?
 
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this looks quote-mined. Have you read the book, paper, whatever, it comes from?

It isn't the first time I have seen a creationist try to use that. It might even be the same creationist. At the time George Ellis was probably indulging in a little bit of philosophy, unaware that some creationists would have their ears pricked up.



that's like getting on a merry-go-round and declaring that the entire universe is revolving around you.

The point is not that it would be a good idea to do it, but that it could be done.
 
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