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I never asserted either of the two issues you listed.If the sun is wobbling about on its axis, there must be some force at work. What is it? And, even if it was wobbling about on its axis, that still wouldn't account for the seasons, because the sun has spherical symmetry.
One other thing: It is not the Earth's distance form the sun which accounts for the seasons. During the northern hemisphere's summer, the Earth is actually at its furthest remove from the sun - about 94.5 million miles. What accounts for the seasons is the angle at which the sun's radiation hits the earth, and the consequent size of the area over which a given amount of radiation is spread.
If the earth is not the centre of the solar system, then what is? According to the evidence, all planets including earth rotate around the sun. In fact our planet rotating around makes more sense that aThe earth is not the center of the solar system. It is the focal point of the universe. The sun, moon, and firmament with the stars rotate around the earth. The other planets revolve around the sun.
Even modern day establishment scientists admit that this geocentric is not invalid. Geocentricity only goes against the prevaling philosophy of this day, but it does not go against observations.
I never asserted either of the two issues you listed.
The Psalmist "shall not be moved" - not he "does not move".If the earth is not the centre of the solar system, then what is? According to the evidence, all planets including earth rotate around the sun. In fact our planet rotating around makes more sense that a
I see you refuse to answer my question regarding the verses in the Psalms that states that the Psalmist doesn't move. So obviously you have no answer to that.
My statement you quoted has nothing to do with your alleged wobbling of the sun or the seasons. Try again.Oh yes you did. Quote:
"Mid-year the sun moves closer to the northern hemisphere."
My statement you quoted has nothing to do with your alleged wobbling of the sun or the seasons. Try again.
Both terms in Hebrew are " אֶמּ֑וֹט בַּל־" bal timmowt. So you have to interpret them the same way, which is illogical.The Psalmist "shall not be moved" - not he "does not move".
Yes, astronomers Sir Hoyle, Dr Gerardus Bouw, Cosmologist & Mathematician Emeritus Distinguished Professor George Ellis, and physicist Dr Albert Einstein, among others, agrees with me.There probably is at least one other person in the world who agrees with you. But it's not me.
The timmowt תִּמּֽוֹט׃ in 1Chr 16:30 is not the same as the emmowt אֶמּ֑וֹט in Psa 10:6.Both terms in Hebrew are " אֶמּ֑וֹט בַּל־" bal timmowt. So you have to interpret them the same way, which is illogical.
I believe this topic is important because it shows one example of how the liberal mindset and man-made traditions have so deeply infiltrated even conservative & fundamental Christianity, factions which would have historically defended whatsoever the Bible recorded without question.netzarim,
The main point I would have made to you has been expressed by others, and you have rejected it. So, my question would be, why do you think this topic is important?
I believe this topic is important because it shows one example of how the liberal mindset and man-made traditions have so deeply infiltrated even conservative & fundamental Christianity, factions which would have historically defended whatsoever the Bible recorded without question.
Secondly, this liberalism cannot seem to even comprehend the fact that established science does not and cannot say that geocentricity is invalid. Liberals can only state this based on philosophical grounds - not scientific grounds.
I agree that labels are only starting points. This is only one example that's been on my mind lately, so I wouldn't say this is my most serious example.Personally, I don't worry too much about labels such as "conservative." It's really only a starting point for learning someone's views. Regardless, I would expect you to present the example you consider most serious (maybe you have and I've not seen it). Is this your most serious example? The world is rife with misunderstanding, so I can't say what every person who uses the "liberal" label might think. However, with respect to the people I know who have a liberal view, this misrepresents them.
If we were to look them up in the concordance we would be looking 1077 and 4131 meaning that they are both from the same root Hebrew words, just a different tense is used.The timmowt תִּמּֽוֹט׃ in 1Chr 16:30 is not the same as the emmowt אֶמּ֑וֹט in Psa 10:6.
I agree that labels are only starting points. This is only one example that's been on my mind lately, so I wouldn't say this is my most serious example.
Tenses make a huge difference. Take, for example, "walking" vs "walked" vs "shall walk". Same root word, but significantly different in meaning.If we were to look them up in the concordance we would be looking 1077 and 4131 meaning that they are both from the same root Hebrew words, just a different tense is used.
I take the message of salvation to be more serious.What example would you consider to be more serious?
Even then, I'm curious why geocentricity has been on your mind. I'll give you an example of my own: origin of life issues. The ideas that people put forth irritate me, but when pressed, I wouldn't judge someone to be unsaved just because they might be wrong regarding what the Bible says about, say, the age of the earth.
So why this example? I recall reading that sun worship saw a resurgence in Europe around the time of Copernicus/Kepler (though I haven't spent the time to study it in detail). That would be a reason to be concerned about heliocentric ideas. But on the flip side, geocentric ideas can cause problems as well.
Even though I expect Earth is the only planet where God has created life, I'm just not aware of any theological principles that hang on geocentricity, and I'm open to the possibility that God might have created life elsewhere ... and that if He did, there's no reason he would need to tell us about it.
So, when science says there is no known way to establish a universal center (which, as far as I know, is all a contemporary scientist would really say) it just doesn't really matter to me.
Geocentricity is important because I believe it involves a subtle difference in the worldview among believers. Either the Earth is special, and is the apple of YHWH's eye, or it is just another random planet spinning through the solar system, galaxy, and universe in the meaningless nothingness of infinite space.
Finally, although many establishment scientists do not deny the validity of geocentricity, they do ignore many experiments that point to the fact that the Earth is still. If they acknowledged these experiments, they would have to deny relativity & heliocentricity, and embrace geocentricity.
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