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WOW... just look at all that heavy mechanical stuff required to move the sun around the Earth... Yet the Earth and moon only requires a tiny motor.Sun's revolution. Not to be confused with the daily rotation of the universe.
Sun's revolution. Not to be confused with the daily rotation of the universe.
You say that the Earth does not move, so are you happy that every other object in the solar system rotates?
Doesn't move with respect to what, RichardT? You've told me earlier that motion is relative. So what is the Earth not moving relative to?
According to modern science's understanding of relativity, no one could dogmatically state that the earth was actually in motion.
RichardT, please, if the earth does NOT rotate, then how exactly do you explain the coriolis effect?First and foremost, it must be stated that even if I didn't understand how stellar parallax worked within any Geocentric model, I would still believe that the earth absolutely did not move and that the sun went around the earth, I would try to run a hypothesis for why Parallax worked within the heliocentric coordinate system and not the Geocentric. But since this isn't the case, I am quite happy to note that there is in fact no problem with respect to Stellar Parallax in one Geocentric model. I would also like to thank Dr. Gerardus Dingeman Bouw for helping me understand.
To quote church reformer Martin Luther:
"Scripture simply says that the moon, the sun, and the stars were placed in the firmament of the heaven, below and above which heaven are the waters... It is likely that the stars are fastened to the firmament like globes of fire, to shed light at night... We Christians must be different from the philosophers in the way we think about the causes of things. And if some are beyond our comprehension like those before us concerning the waters above the heavens, we must believe them rather than wickedly deny them or presumptuously interpret them in conformity with our understanding."
- Martin Luther, Luther's Works. Vol. 1. Lectures on Genesis, ed. Janoslaw Pelikan, Concordia Pub. House, St. Louis, Missouri, 1958, pp. 30, 42, 43.
The following is an experiment that can be done very easily by anyone and will demonstrate that Stellar Parallax is in fact equal within the Modified Tycho Brahe System and the modern heliocentric / acentric view.
1. Extend one of your arms, stick one of your fingers up, and close one eye. Notice it's location with reference to the background (possibly best to do this looking through a window, to see distant trees or other random objects outside).
2. While looking at your finger with your one eye, keeping the same position with respect to the background, move your head six inches left and right from your starting position. You'll notice that it will seem like the finger is moving with respect to the background, this is the heliocentric view of Stellar Parallax.
After Einstein's special, and then general theory of relativity was formulated, a bunch of agnostics thought it would be fun to see if the earth as a reference frame could work. It turns out that they have actually mathematically proved that this was true. For now, I'll simply reference their work.RichardT, please, if the earth does NOT rotate, then how exactly do you explain the coriolis effect?
The expansion of the universe caused them to be red shifted.and why are the distant stars redshifted rather than blueshifted?
But what I want to try to do, possibly later on when I get a better understanding of relativity, is argue against some assumptions of relativity that allow the earth to actually move.
After Einstein's special, and then general theory of relativity was formulated, a bunch of agnostics thought it would be fun to see if the earth as a reference frame could work. It turns out that they have actually mathematically proved that this was true. For now, I'll simply reference their work.
The known laws of physics break down as objects near the speed of light thus it would be impossible for them to be simulated in at this speed.Yes. But it doesn't matter if the permeating plenum ether medium is moving faster than the speed of light simply because the known laws of physics would work within it.
The same people who feared advocated the execution of imaginary witches are somehow more intelligent than modern astronomers?If it wasn't for the scriptures I too would be unaware of it.
What are “quantum grains?”The quantum grains which are found all over space
Plank particles are undetectable, if we can detect “quantum grains”, then they are not plank particles. Bouw should know this.quantum grains which are found all over space are taken by Dr. Bouw to be the planck particles,
It’s not mathematically possible.I would need to study this more though because I wouldn't know if this were possible myself.
The earth isn't moving but the universe is. You are correct to say that y(.) = 0 but the velocity of the ether is not = 0. As long as gravity is a reality, the centripetal, centrifugal, Coriolis forces will remain. The geostationary orbits remain.x(..)=-ay(.)+bx
I shortened the constants in the original equation to a and b. The points in the brackets represent the dots above the variables in the original equation. (..) represent acceleration and (.) represents velocity. So x(..) is acceleration in the x direction and y(.) is velocity in the y direction. Now if we consider geostationary orbits of earthbound satellites the y(.) is zero. The earth is not moving therefore they are not moving.
I think this might be a misconception of what I'm arguing for, I do believe there are to and fro motions to the ether in order to account for accelerations etc.So the equation goes to
x(..)=bx
The origin is at the centre of mass of the earth and these satellites will feel a force due to gravity towards this point. This force will be given by Newton's laws and gravitational equation by
x(..)=GM/x^2
where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the earth.
Putting the two equations equal we get and letting GM=c;
c/x^2=bx
=> x^3-c/b=0
Basically what the last equation means is that based on your hypothesis there are only three distances from the earth's mass center at the equator that a geostationary orbit can exist.
Now be a scientist and test your hypothesis. (I don't mean actually launch satellites, just find out if the placements of current geostationary satellites agrees with your hypothesis).
Edit: Sorry one distance above the earths surface the other two solutions should give the radius of the earth from its center.
You still haven't explained how the seasonal stellar parallax is a result of the universe moving and not the Earth.
Chalnoth, the parallax measurements are the same from the daily motion simply because the sun moves with the background for the daily motion. The stars will find themselves at the same place when looking at them with respect to the background. It's pretty simple.
So why do we never see the sun betwixt mars and jupiter?
I'm curious why we have yet to see a Martian eclipse as well...
How could Mars even manage to escape the suns gravity at that distance? Do you believe that other planet's moons revolve around the earth?
Did you even read this? It's saying that the geocentric model doesn't work.
Also, you have still yet to explain why we never see the sun betwixt mars and jupiter.
What I don't get is how Pluto's gravity is enough to attract a moon, yet the sun does not even affect Mars...
MODIFIED TYCHO BRAHE SYSTEM
Sorry, I didn't really notice your post so much before but this is a huge misunderstanding of the model. Mars will never get that close to the sun because the orbits of the planets are focused on the sun. Remember, the sun is the geometric center of the universe while the earth is the dynamic center in this model. The earth is always offset from the center but never moves. The original Tycho Brahe system, which agreed with all observations at his time also had the planets orbiting the sun. Although in his model, the earth was the geometric center of the universe so the distant stars would simply rotate the earth. The original Tycho Brahe system is not as useful today because it does not account for the aberration / parallax of distant stars, in Brahe's time they did not know the immense distances of the universe that we know today.
ORIGINAL TYCHO BRAHE SYSTEM
Richard, according to the Tycho Brahe system, the sun can be between mars and jupiter. Why do we never see this?
hmmm why is this Richard? Its a pretty big flaw in your system. care to explain?
The correct term is "simplistic", not simple, and its also wrong, and, as pointed out, does not account for seasonal parallax.
Repeating it over and over again doesn't make it any more true.
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