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No, Bouw talked about it in his book "Geocentricity".
The entire purpose of this thread was to in fact show that stellar parallax was not a problem for the modified Tychonic system, now that this has been conceded by most of us, I am quite satisfied.
I've simplified it by saying that as long as looking at the sun as a reference frame, as long as the earth seems to orbit the sun, gravitation is satisfied.
Conceded by whom?
It is a very serious problem for the Tycho Brahe system. Even Tycho Brahe himself agrees.
The Earth and Sun orbit around the center of mass between the two bodies. Given the fact that the Sun is much more massive this center of mass is within the Sun itself.
It shouldn't take him this long to get his apologetics down.Rich may be running some of this by other geocentrists. Give him time.
Scientists don't say objects travel faster than the speed of light though. Space can expand faster than the speed of light, the objects within it don't move at speeds exceeding c.I'll get back to you guys on the mechanism.
BTW, I really like this quote:
"When modern scientists inform us that objects can travel faster than light due to the expansion of space, we marvel at their wisdom and learning. When geocentrists inform us that objects can travel faster than light due to the rotation of space, we marvel at their insanity."
Scientists don't say objects travel faster than the speed of light
Do you by any chance have access to this?
"Rotation in Cosmology" (General Relativity and Gravitation, Vol. 24, No. 2, 1992, pgs. 121-128)
Do you by any chance have access to this?
"Rotation in Cosmology" (General Relativity and Gravitation, Vol. 24, No. 2, 1992, pgs. 121-128)
What does it say?
The idea of a rotating universe has been addressed in the secular literature on many occasions. Yu. N. Obukhov, in the recent study ”Rotation in Cosmology” (General Relativity and Gravitation, Vol. 24, No. 2, 1992, pgs. 121-128), observes that “Since the first studies of Lanczos, Gamow and Gödel, a great number of rotating cosmological models have been considered in the literature. Nevertheless the full understanding of observational manifestations of cosmic rotation is still far from reach. Moreover, there is a general belief that rotation of the universe is always a source of many undesirable consequences, most serious of which are timelike closed curves, parallax effects, and anisotropy of the microwave background radiation. The aim of this paper is twofold — to show that the above phenomena are not inevitable (and in fact, are not caused by rotation), and to find true effects of cosmic rotation.” Unfortunately, Obukhov refrains from putting the other foot down: “Here we shall not enter into a discussion of [the] philosophical significance of cosmic rotation (though, in our opinion, the analysis of its relation to the Mach's principle is of great interest).” Nonetheless, he follows the evidence to its conclusion: “As we can see, pure rotation can be, in principle, large, contrary to the wide-spread prejudice that large vorticity confronts many crucial observations.”
But strangely, doesn't include the part where they include an actual value for rotation in radians per year. Given that the whole point of making the above reference is to show that the universe rotates once every 23 hours and 56 minutes, I'd have thought that was important.
Objects in a rotating universe cannot exceed 'c' in speed either. Galilean Relativity is not an appropriate model for understanding velocities in the universe. If the universe has some rotational speed v1, what is meant by this is the following: to a non-rotating observer, the objects within the universe appear to be rotating around it at this speed. A very important thing about rotating universes that you, Richard, seem to neglect, is that there is no one single axis of rotation, about which the entire universe rotates, as this violates the Copernican Principle. There is nothing special about Earth's location in a physical sense, and so any other spot in the universe would also appear to be an 'axis of rotation' for the entire universe.Not strangely, all the paper had to demonstrate was that in the case of a rotating universe objects can travel faster than C.
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