Genetics Question

[DatingSmarts]

x chromosomes = ishish=ovum
y chromosomes = _______=sperm (y looks like squiggly snake to me)

xx =woman=ish ish
xy =man=ish______

yy not possible

man is half man, half woman xy

woman is all woman xx

man produces seeds daily, both x and y seeds....which we now call cells
woman produces seeds monthly....only x seeds...which we now call cells

 

[lucaspa]

x chromosomes = ishish=ovum

Where or how did you come up with this equation? I'm particularly interested in the equation x chromosome = ishish. Especially since the transliterated Hebrew word for woman is "ishshah" The transliterated Hebrew letters are not "x" either.

y chromosomes = _______=sperm (y looks like squiggly snake to me)

Actually, the y chromosome is a very small x shape.

xx =woman=ish ish
xy =man=ish______

Where did you come up with x = ish? And remember, woman in Hebrew is not "ishish" but "ishshah" So the equation does't work.

yy not possible

But xyy is possible.

man is half man, half woman xy

But Adam was created first and therefore could not have been half woman, because woman didn't exist. What's more, if Genesis 2 and your idea is right, woman should be xy because woman is made from man, right? Therefore the woman got the man's chromosome and should be xy.

 

[lucaspa]

i am directing you to the rules of this forum

This forum is for the purpose of discussion. It is not for debate.

your conduct in this thread with me has been along the lines of argumentation and debate which is clearly prohibited.

We are discussing. For instance, both Gluadys and I have given you information regarding science, etymology, and history. You didn't know, before I mentioned it, that it was Gregor Mendel that came up with gene.

DatingSmarts, discussion does not mean agreeing with you. You put forth an idea. Actually, several of them. We are discussing their validity. Unfortunately for your ego, we are finding that the ideas are not valid. But hey, that's what discussion is for -- to separate the valid ideas from the invalid ones.

Furthermore, your remarks do not address the op.

Pot, meet kettle. You haven't addressed the OP in any of your posts. You haven't even tried to decide whether populations A, B, and C are one species or more than one species. Replying to your posts is allowed.

Instead you are arguing me with me about the meanings of words.

I believe you are the one that first asked about definitions. Your ideas are based on words, therefore we have to discuss words and their meanings.

what you call pet theories are in actuality my beliefs and interpretations about the bible text.

A rose by any other name ...

IT IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE OR DISAGREEMENT.

Ah, so here it is. Interpretations about Biblical text is certainly fair game for discussion and disagreement.

Stop disrespecting me.

I'm sorry, DatingSmart, but discussing ideas is not disrespecting you. Ideas are independent of the people who propose or advocate them. I'm afraid you have tied yourself too closely to the ideas you propose. Please don't do that. This will lead to two bad effects:
1. You get your feelings hurt when people show the ideas to be wrong.
2. You can't give up wrong ideas if you tie your ego to them.

So, try to be objective about the ideas you propose. Don't tie them to your ego. In these discussions, none of your ideas is essential to faith in God or Jesus as far as I can see. That "dust" in Genesis 2 = DNA is not part of any Christian denomination's theology. Therefore they should be easy to give up. Nor is anyone trying to attack your belief in God or Jesus.

 

[lucaspa]

and god said im going to make people from the molecule of life....i will take dust from four corners of the earth and combine them and I will breath life into them.

That's an interesting re-write of the Bible. Why do you think you can re-write the Bible at your whim?

four corners represents when the 23 x chromosomes meet 23 y chromosomes to make 46 chromosomes....a new life.

1. Genesis 2:7 never said 4 corners of the earth. It simply says "dust from the ground". So there are not 4 corners to represent anything.
2. Genesis 2:7 has no "them". Life is breathed only into the man. When the woman is made, she is made from the man's rib in Genesis 2:22 and there is no mention of any breathing of life into her.
3. Genesis 1:26-27 doesn't mention dust at all or any other material. God simply speaks and men and women appear.

So, how does your idea deal with these facts?

...the first cell division occurs almost immediately and this new single celled organism....GENE!.

The single-celled organism is called an ovum, not a gene. A gene is a stretch of DNA that codes for a protein. That DNA is part of a chromosome. Among the 23 chromosomes are about 30,000 genes. Each gene has two copies -- one from the father and one from the mother. Often only one of the copies is used to make the protein.

So, how do these facts fit with your idea?

 

[lucaspa]

and god said you are dust and to dust you shall return

dust is molecules and these molecules represent life throughout the whole of the universe

But the molecules are not DNA.

from a single minuscule ATOM

Humans are made up of trillions of atoms. A single sugar molecule is made up of 24 atoms -- C6H12O6 -- 6 atoms of carbon, 12 of hydrogen, and 6 of oxygen. So how can you be made from a single atom?

universe is ONE...all of life is united as ONE

This sounds like Carl Sagan. We are all "starstuff" to use his phrase. However, Sagan was using the idea as a substitute for God and a mystical idea of its own.

Evolution does indeed have all life united -- by its historical connections. Common ancestry, in other words.

However, as part of the discussion, would you please address my point that the serpent is to eat dust? How then can the Bible mean dust = DNA?

 

[DatingSmarts]

there are 4 building blocks of dna... are there not?

 

[DatingSmarts]

6 C
12 H
6 O
6+6+12=24


12 tribes of israel
and
12 apostles

=24

 

[DatingSmarts]

2 hydrogen atoms
1 oxygen atom

2+1=3=trinity father son and holy spirit

q: which one is the holy spirit?
a: oxygen

whoopsie! lookie there in the word oxygen--an x, a y, and a gen, with an O for good measure

x =woman
y=man
O=breath of life ie oxygen i am brilliant

added together we have the ORGINs of life

i can't help but notice that since we are arguing about x, y, and genes

 

[ThePhoenix]

x chromosomes = ishish=ovum
y chromosomes = _______=sperm (y looks like squiggly snake to me)

xx =woman=ish ish
xy =man=ish______

yy not possible

man is half man, half woman xy

woman is all woman xx

man produces seeds daily, both x and y seeds....which we now call cells
woman produces seeds monthly....only x seeds...which we now call cells

XXY
XYY
XO

Where exactly do those fit in? I want to see the biblical support for this.

P.S. Where is Asimov's disection of biblical math in science when you need it?

 

[gluadys]

lucas and gladys

what you call pet theories are in actuality my beliefs and interpretations about the bible text. IT IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE OR DISAGREEMENT.

Stop disrespecting me.

I won't argue with your beliefs DS.

But when you interpret the biblical text, that is a ground for discussion.

It is the biblical text which is not up for debate. It is what it is whether it agrees with your beliefs or not.

What we have shown is that the text does not conform to your beliefs.

That gives you the choice of rejecting the bible as the source of your beliefs or changing your beliefs to conform to the bible.

But you are not making either logical choice. You are trying to make the biblical text conform to your beliefs. That is showing disrespect for the bible.

 

[DatingSmarts]

gladys

do you take the bible literally word for word?

by your logic, and lucaspa's as well, since the word 'trinity' is not in the bible, there is no such thing.

 

[DatingSmarts]

phoenix, it just so happens that the xy combo's you gave are mutations.

when children are born with those combo's it means the child has both male and female organs, or no sex organs at all, or the gender is undetermined.

and xo is hugs and kisses lol
as in LOVE

moi

 

[gluadys]

gladys

do you take the bible literally word for word?

by your logic, and lucaspa's as well, since the word 'trinity' is not in the bible, there is no such thing.

Depends on what you mean.

The bible says the earth is fastened firmly to foundations so that it will not move.

Now what would it mean to believe that word for word?

Do I believe the bible says that, word for word? Yes.

Do I believe it is an accurate description of the earth's place in the solar system? No.


As for the trinity, no the word "trinity" is not in the bible. I fail to see why this would mean it is not real. The bible is an important book filled with much wisdom. But it is not a universal encyclopedia which tells us everything.

The bible doesn't speak of pianos either. Does that mean they are not real?

 

[lucaspa]

6 C
12 H
6 O
6+6+12=24


12 tribes of israel
and
12 apostles

=24

Oh great. Now we get numerology, too. Well, since you switched the subject, I guess we can assume that your idea of humans being made from one atom is down the tubes!

However, both the 12 tribes and the 12 apostles are just 2 groups. With sugar you have three elements. Doesn't match.

OK, lets try guanine, one of the bases in DNA. 6 carbons, 5 nitrogens, 5 hydrogens. I can't wait to see what number you come up with for this.

 

[lucaspa]

gladys

do you take the bible literally word for word?

by your logic, and lucaspa's as well, since the word 'trinity' is not in the bible, there is no such thing.

We don't take the Bible literally word for word. But we believe it is false witness to play fast and loose with the words that are in it like you are doing.

Trinity is a theory concocted by humans about God. It's well-supported by Biblical verses that do link Father and Son and Father and Holy Spirit. It also fits with the salvation experience of Christians. So Trinity was tested and found to be supported. Unfortunately, when we test your hare-brained theories, they aren't supported. That's the difference.

 

[lucaspa]

there are 4 building blocks of dna... are there not?

There are 4 bases in DNA. However, there are 5 bases total that are necessary for life. That is because the base in DNA is thymidine but in messenger RNA (that actually carries the message to the ribosome where proteins are made) the base is uracil. So to fit with science you would have to have 5 corners of the earth.

 

[DatingSmarts]

6+5+5=16=7 perfection moi ha ha

ahem RIBosomes???

rib


get it
adam's rib

veddy veddy interestingk

 

[DatingSmarts]

ooo and its called Thy mi dine

THY my dining companion

and adam said u r a cell of my cells

 

[ThePhoenix]

Fishing that badly is just painful.

 

[lucaspa]

Really painful. Root canals are pleasant compared to this type of fishing. I bet Dating loves the Bible codes, too.