Genesis

[JoshuaM]

Comments? Questions? Let's discuss our thoughts on this chapter.

 

[beloved001]

In the old times, people living so long years on earth. mostly more than 100 years old.
I guess in ancient times, the earth is still more good envorinment to live, and with less disease etc.

But yes, our life is with a purpose, and this life in earth just an introduction to the eternal life in heaven.

Enoch is so blessed,but bible does not tell much information about him, only knows he was walking with the lord.

 

[JoshuaM]

Well Adam and Eve had eaten of the Tree of Life before getting kicked out of the garden, a fruit that allowed people to live forever, so I think it is safe to assume that the Tree of Life changed their genetic structure, allowing them to live a certain number of years. Scientifically, if people have such a body, so will many generations. But here are some ideas: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/years.asp

Yes our life's purpose is to serve God and this life is a preparation for when we go to be with our Lord and worship Him forever.

yeah, he was walking with the Lord so the Lord accepted Him. Perhaps the Lord's purpose was fulfilled in Enoch's life.

 

[DynamicDrummer]

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary for Chapter 5:

Adam and Seth.


Adam was made in the image of God; but when fallen he begat a son in his own image, sinful and defiled, frail, wretched, and mortal, like himself. Not only a man like himself, consisting of body and soul, but a sinner like himself. This was the reverse of that Divine likeness in which Adam was made; having lost it, he could not convey it to his seed. Adam lived, in all, 930 years; and then died, according to the sentence passed upon him, to �To dust thou shalt return. to � Though he did
not die in the day he ate forbidden fruit, yet in that very day he became mortal. Then he began to die; his whole life after was but a reprieve, a forfeited, condemned life; it was a wasting, dying life. Man's life is but dying by degrees. (Ge 5:6-20)

The patriarchs from Seth to Enoch.

Concerning each of these, except Enoch, it is said, to �and he died. to � It is well to observe the deaths of others. They all lived very long; not one of them died till he had seen almost eight hundred years, and some of them lived much longer; a great while for an immortal soul to be prisoned in a house of clay. The present life surely was not to them such a burden as it commonly is now, else they would have been weary of it. Nor was the future life so clearly revealed then, as it now
under the gospel, else they would have been urgent to remove to it. All the patriarchs that lived before the flood, except Noah, were born before Adam died. From him they might receive a full account of the creation, the fall, the promise, and the Divine precepts about religious worship and a religious life. Thus God kept up in his church the knowledge of his will. (Ge 5:21-24)

Enoch.
Enoch was the seventh from Adam. Godliness is walking with God: which shows reconciliation to God, for two cannot walk together except they be agreed, Am 3:3. It includes all the parts of a godly, righteous, and sober life. To walk with God, is to set God always before us, to act as always under his eye. It is constantly to care, in all things to please God, and in nothing to offend him. It is to be followers of him as dear children. The Holy
Spirit, instead of saying, Enoch lived, says, Enoch walked with God. This was his constant care and work; while others lived to themselves and the world, he lived to God. It was the joy of his life. Enoch was removed to a better world. As he did not live like the rest of mankind, so he did not leave the world by death as they did. He was not found, because God had translated him, Heb 11:5. He had lived but 365 years, which, as men's ages were then, was
but the midst of a man's days. God often takes those soonest whom he loves best; the time they lose on earth, is gained in heaven, to their unspeakable advantage. See how Enoch's removal is expressed: he was not, for God took him. He was not any longer in this world; he was changed, as the saints shall be, who are alive at Christ's second coming. Those who begin to walk with God when young, may expect to walk with him long, comfortably, and usefully. The true christian's steady walk in
holiness, through many a year, till God takes him, will best recommend that religion which many oppose and many abuse. And walking with God well agrees with the cares, comforts, and duties of life. (Ge 5:25-32)

Methuselah to Noah.
Methuselah signifies, to �he dies, there is a dart, to � to �a sending forth, to � namely, of the deluge, which came the year that Methuselah died. He lived 969 years, the longest that any man ever lived on earth; but the longest liver must die at last. Noah signifies rest; his parents gave him that name, with a prospect of his being a great blessing to his generation. Observe his father's complaint of the calamitous state of human life, by the entrance of sin, and the curse of sin. Our
whole life is spent in labour, and our time filled up with continual toil. God having cursed the ground, it is as much as some can do, with the utmost care and pains, to get a hard livelihood out comfort us. to � It signifies not only that desire and expectation which parents generally have about their children, that they will be comforts to them and helpers, though they often prove otherwise; but it signifies also a prospect of something more. Is Christ ours? Is heaven ours? We need better
comforters under our toil and sorrow, than the dearest relations and the most promising offspring; may we seek and find comforts in Christ.

I would suggest you use some other commentary besides Matthew Henry. He's good--to an extent. His biases slip in more than you think. May I suggest the Tyndale commentaries or Craig S. Keener's IVP Bible Background Commentary. LATER!

 

[JoshuaM]

yeah you may suggest. please leave a link so i can try posting from those. thanks.

 

[beloved001]

well u might typed wrong, they ate the tree of knowledge, not life tree...

but God was afraid they would ate life tree too, so put fire to guard it. but in future we can still get leaves and fruits from it in Revelation.

 

[JoshuaM]

Actually Beloved001, remember that before they ate from the tree of knowledge, they were allowed to eat from the tree of life? That is what I am referring to. The Bible doesn't say that Adam and Eve ate the knowledge fruit the first day of Eve's life. And since before eating of the tree of knowledge they were permitted to eat the fruit of the tree of life, I think it logical that before they ate of the tree of knowledge they ate of the tree of life's fruit. But when they ate the tree of knowledge's fruit they were no longer allowed to eat of this life giving fruit.

Yes there is indicators we will be allowed to eat this fruit when we are in heaven.

Anybody else concur with this?

 

[JoshuaM]

Since there are no more responses, I am moving on..

Genesis 6 King James Version

1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
14Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
16A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
17And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
18But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
21And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.
22Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

 

[JoshuaM]

Genesis 6

Giants in the Land

1-2 When the human race began to increase, with more and more daughters being born, the sons of God noticed that the daughters of men were beautiful. They looked them over and picked out wives for themselves. 3 Then God said, "I'm not going to breathe life into men and women endlessly. Eventually they're going to die; from now on they can expect a life span of 120 years."
4 This was back in the days (and also later) when there were giants in the land. The giants came from the union of the sons of God and the daughters of men. These were the mighty men of ancient lore, the famous ones.
Noah and His Sons

5-7 God saw that human evil was out of control. People thought evil, imagined evil—evil, evil, evil from morning to night. God was sorry that he had made the human race in the first place; it broke his heart. God said, "I'll get rid of my ruined creation, make a clean sweep: people, animals, snakes and bugs, birds—the works. I'm sorry I made them." 8 But Noah was different. God liked what he saw in Noah.
9-10 This is the story of Noah: Noah was a good man, a man of integrity in his community. Noah walked with God. Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11-12 As far as God was concerned, the Earth had become a sewer; there was violence everywhere. God took one look and saw how bad it was, everyone corrupt and corrupting—life itself corrupt to the core.
13 God said to Noah, "It's all over. It's the end of the human race. The violence is everywhere; I'm making a clean sweep.
14-16 "Build yourself a ship from teakwood. Make rooms in it. Coat it with pitch inside and out. Make it 450 feet long, seventy-five feet wide, and forty-five feet high. Build a roof for it and put in a window eighteen inches from the top; put in a door on the side of the ship; and make three decks, lower, middle, and upper.
17 "I'm going to bring a flood on the Earth that will destroy everything alive under Heaven. Total destruction.
18-21 "But I'm going to establish a covenant with you: You'll board the ship, and your sons, your wife and your sons' wives will come on board with you. You are also to take two of each living creature, a male and a female, on board the ship, to preserve their lives with you: two of every species of bird, mammal, and reptile—two of everything so as to preserve their lives along with yours. Also get all the food you'll need and store it up for you and them."
22 Noah did everything God commanded him to do.

 

[DynamicDrummer]

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on Genesis 4

an alternate link for the commentary.

Bible Dictionaries



What questions come to mind when reading Genesis Chapter 4?

Whoops! My bad. I didn't see that you had a link. I thought you were typing from a hard copy you owned. I'm not saying you can't use Matthew Henry, but I thought I'd just point out what I did and direct you to some other commentaries (not online).

 

[beloved001]

one more comment of cain is:God has warned cain to turn away from jealous and seeking good, but cain refused to listen, then finally just a small jealous sin led to murder. It reminds us, how can a small thing leading to big thing...
also eve just ate a fruit, she thought it was a small thing, but it led to the whole disaster of all human..

about chapter of Noah,there r a few thoughts
1. who r those sons of God came to earth ? it is v confusing

2.God has given them 120 years," from now on they can expect a life span of 120 years"but they refused to change, it means we need to listen to God 's time limit. God is already so torelent.
and God will always merciful to His own people, so He let Noah built a boat.

3. God sent the flood, water.....it means cleaning?.

4. Noah spent all his life on only one thing which is building the ark. It is such a long term thing. Noah must be a v humble, patient and obeience person.

5.and most of Noah 's life living in a ark,because in his times most of the time was corrupt in the earth. What a life he has spent in all his life!

 

[JoshuaM]

one more comment of cain is:God has warned cain to turn away from jealous and seeking good, but cain refused to listen, then finally just a small jealous sin led to murder. It reminds us, how can a small thing leading to big thing...
also eve just ate a fruit, she thought it was a small thing, but it led to the whole disaster of all human..

yes sin causes problems.Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

about chapter of Noah,there r a few thoughts
1. who r those sons of God came to earth ? it is v confusing

One suggestion is that they ae angels. "Sons of God’ is clearly used of angels in Job 38:7. The Septuagint (LXX) here translates ‘sons of God’ as ‘angels of God.’ This need not mean that evil angels, or demons, actually cohabited with women. Nevertheless, evil angels on earth could have used the bodies of ungodly men, by demonic possession, to achieve their evil purpose of producing an evil generation of people (Gen. 6:12).7 There are other reasonable suggestions as to the identity of the ‘sons of God’ and the nephilim. Interestingly, the word nephilim is only used here and in Numbers 13:33, where it refers to the descendants of Anak, who were big people, but still people. " see answersingenesis.org

" Numbers 13:33
"There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."

2.God has given them 120 years," from now on they can expect a life span of 120 years"but they refused to change, it means we need to listen to God 's time limit. God is already so torelent.
and God will always merciful to His own people, so He let Noah built a boat.

yes God gives people a chance, and those people were given 120 years. God is very merciful and full of grace, and has so much love for us that we should persevere and pursue a Godly life, getting back up everytime we fall.

He let Noah build a boat. Noah still had his faith in God, and he blessed Noah and his family for that.

3. God sent the flood, water.....it means cleaning?.

It means there was a great flood, but I believe it was God's way of cleansing the earth, and starting afresh. When the flood wiped out the earth, Adam's descendants likely mostly were wiped out besides Noah's sons. suggesting that the descendents of Adam and Eve we descend from are from Noah's bloodline. Noah's kids were now given the assignment to have many children, the other descendants wouldn't follow God and were wiped out.

4. Noah spent all his life on only one thing which is building the ark. It is such a long term thing. Noah must be a v humble, patient and obeience person.

certainly even if we wasn't at first, this would have taught him patience and humility. The obedience was definately there.

5.and most of Noah 's life living in a ark,because in his times most of the time was corrupt in the earth. What a life he has spent in all his life!

obeying God and building an ark to hold each animal species that cannot survive in the water, holding all his family also. Several days Noah had several pets, and well, he had a life of serving God and having his family with him. And out of all people, Noah was chosen for this quest. I say it was a hard life, but it was a great life!

 

[DeepMindQuest]

The first, and oldest, belief is that "the sons of God" were fallen angels who consorted with human women, producing giant offspring called nephilim.. This view was widely held in the world of the first century, [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]and was supported by Flavius Josephus, Philo, Eusebius and many of the "Ante-Nicene Fathers," including Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Athenagoras and Commodianus.[/FONT]

 

[DeepMindQuest]

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 6,7.

"For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment." 2 Peter 2:4

 

[JoshuaM]

the belief that they were angels (the sons of God) is with good reason since the Septuagint translates as "angels of God" yet even so, the giants became corrupted and many were destroyed.

 

[DynamicDrummer]

obeying God and building an ark to hold each animal species that cannot survive in the water, holding all his family also. Several days Noah had several pets, and well, he had a life of serving God and having his family with him. And out of all people, Noah was chosen for this quest. I say it was a hard life, but it was a great life!

What makes you say that? How do you know that?

 

[JoshuaM]

What makes you say that? How do you know that?

some of it will we go into more in the next chapter. However, this current chapter shows us that the earth had become corrupted, and that Noah was the one chosen for the job. It shows that Noah had found favor with God.. It says he walked with God.. It says that God is starting over, and that a new covenant is made with Noah and his family.

it says two of every creature will go on the ark. If you notice verses 19 and 20 it talks about land and air animals.

 

[JoshuaM]

Genesis 7

1 Next God said to Noah, "Now board the ship, you and all your family—out of everyone in this generation, you're the righteous one. 2-4 "Take on board with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and a female; one pair of every unclean animal, a male and a female; and seven pairs of every kind of bird, a male and a female, to insure their survival on Earth. In just seven days I will dump rain on Earth for forty days and forty nights. I'll make a clean sweep of everything that I've made." 5 Noah did everything God commanded him.
6-10 Noah was 600 years old when the floodwaters covered the Earth. Noah and his wife and sons and their wives boarded the ship to escape the flood. Clean and unclean animals, birds, and all the crawling creatures came in pairs to Noah and to the ship, male and female, just as God had commanded Noah. In seven days the floodwaters came.
11-12 It was the six-hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month that it happened: all the underground springs erupted and all the windows of Heaven were thrown open. Rain poured for forty days and forty nights.
13-16 That's the day Noah and his sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, accompanied by his wife and his sons' wives, boarded the ship. And with them every kind of wild and domestic animal, right down to all the kinds of creatures that crawl and all kinds of birds and anything that flies. They came to Noah and to the ship in pairs—everything and anything that had the breath of life in it, male and female of every creature came just as God had commanded Noah. Then God shut the door behind him.
17-23 The flood continued forty days and the waters rose and lifted the ship high over the Earth. The waters kept rising, the flood deepened on the Earth, the ship floated on the surface. The flood got worse until all the highest mountains were covered—the high-water mark reached twenty feet above the crest of the mountains. Everything died. Anything that moved—dead. Birds, farm animals, wild animals, the entire teeming exuberance of life—dead. And all people—dead. Every living, breathing creature that lived on dry land died; he wiped out the whole works—people and animals, crawling creatures and flying birds, every last one of them, gone. Only Noah and his company on the ship lived.
24 The floodwaters took over for 150 days.

 

[JoshuaM]

Genesis 7 The Flood
1Then the LORD said to Noah, "Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to be (A)righteous before Me in this time.
2"You shall take with you of every (B)clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female;
3also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth.
4"For after (C)seven more days, I will send rain on the earth (D)forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land (E)every living thing that I have made."
5(F)Noah did according to all that the LORD had commanded him.
6Now Noah was (G)six hundred years old when the flood of water came upon the earth.
7Then (H)Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him entered the ark because of the water of the flood.
8(I)Of clean animals and animals that are not clean and birds and everything that creeps on the ground,
9there went into the ark to Noah by twos, male and female, as God had commanded Noah.
10It came about after (J)the seven days, that the water of the flood came upon the earth.
11In the (K)six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all (L)the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened. 12(M)The rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights.
13On the very same day (N)Noah and Shem and Ham and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark,
14they and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, all sorts of birds.
15So they went into the ark to Noah, (O)by twos of all flesh in which was the breath of life.
16Those that entered, male and female of all flesh, entered as God had commanded him; and the LORD closed it behind him.
17Then the flood came upon the earth for (P)forty days, and the water increased and lifted up the ark, so that it rose above the earth.
18The water prevailed and increased greatly upon the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water.
19The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered.
20The water prevailed fifteen cubits higher, (Q)and the mountains were covered.
21(R)All flesh that moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind;
22of all that was on the dry land, all (S)in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died.
23Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only (T)Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark.
24(U)The water prevailed upon the earth one hundred and fifty days. Cross references:
1. Genesis 7:1 : Gen 6:9
2. Genesis 7:2 : Lev 11:1-31; Deut 14:3-20
3. Genesis 7:4 : Gen 7:10
4. Genesis 7:4 : Gen 7:12, 17
5. Genesis 7:4 : Gen 6:7, 13
6. Genesis 7:5 : Gen 6:22
7. Genesis 7:6 : Gen 5:32
8. Genesis 7:7 : Gen 6:18; 7:13; Matt 24:38; Luke 17:27
9. Genesis 7:8 : Gen 6:19, 20; 7:2, 3
10. Genesis 7:10 : Gen 7:4
11. Genesis 7:11 : Gen 7:6
12. Genesis 7:11 : Gen 8:2
13. Genesis 7:12 : Gen 7:4, 17
14. Genesis 7:13 : Gen 6:18; 7:7
15. Genesis 7:15 : Gen 6:19; 7:9
16. Genesis 7:17 : Gen 7:4
17. Genesis 7:20 : Gen 8:4
18. Genesis 7:21 : Gen 6:7, 13, 17; 7:4
19. Genesis 7:22 : Gen 2:7
20. Genesis 7:23 : Matt 24:38, 39; Luke 17:26, 27; Heb 11:7; 1 Pet 3:20; 2 Pet 2:5
21. Genesis 7:24 : Gen 8:3

 

[beloved001]

150 years flood is about half a year, it is a fast flood ,must be v v big one, so it destroyed all the creatures on earth. but God let Noah to choose those pairs of animals ,birds on the ark, it means God trust Noah,and let him and his family survived , so we can still all have life up to now.............it is amazing, also pondering how to let God trust us?

another question about the former chapter, i v read that link about aliens. that means aliens do not exist? or it only means those "sons of God"r not aliens?
and if they r angels, then they must from devil.

that thread does not believe the sons of God r not aliens, basically cuz God did curse adam and eve, not cursed aliens, so the curse will not happen to creatures out of human.
but later it also says, if who believes there r aliens, he is deceived, cuz scientists prove that there is no aliens etc......it makes me want to ask this, cuz i believe there r aliens , though.

but there is one important good point of that link, too,there r two world, one is the world of God, another is the world of demons. and the land of demans is the earth which they r controlling for now.